The new MOT test will involve some new checks, including whether tyres
are underinflated, if brake fluid has been contaminated and if brake
pads or discs are missing.
I'm sure a car without brake pads or disks would fail the existing brake
That was also one of my concerns too, they won't have access to manufacturers
data and we have routinely run the pressures lower for 30+ years. Quite what
they'd make of a tyre with 18psi in it I don't know.
The legal aspects of someone self presenting a 40+ year old car for an MOT,
getting a fail on 'something' and then they carry on using the vehicle as if it
had never been presented for an MOT are a minefield.
Would a failure without a subsequent successful retest mean that forever and a
day the ANPR system would flag up a problem?
This is something I have thought long and hard about, concerning my 50
year old Traveller, which now no longer needs an MOT test. Whilst I'm
capable of checking most things, I am seriously tempted to ask my local
garage to give the vehicle a 'mock MOT' once a year, just in case I miss
something. Quite what the legal position would be if they pointed out
something fairly major, which I ignored, I don't know, although doubt I
would come out smelling of roses.
Having been to an old car show this weekend, noticed that the age of the
owners seems to be going up much in line with my own. Although there were
plenty younger people as spectators.
Dunno if it's going out of fashion as a hobby like so many other things,
or just that old farts are likely to have more disposable cash for any
Point being it's far more of an effort to examine the underside of a car
well as you get older. Hence me being very against exempting any classic
from a basic MOT as regards safety.
*Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy *
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
It’s not just the cash, to keep an older vehicle you really need somewhere
under cover or at a minimum some good off road parking and a shed for
tools, paints spares safe.
That option isn’t available to many younger people especially if they have
had to move away from parents who may have had a space in a barn or shed.
And if they are still living at home in their 20’s the space for a vehicle
may be in use to store other possessions
and spending money on an old vehicle not a priority.
Even amongst those who have got on the property ladder many houses have had
garages or land where a shed was converted to living space.
Sometimes a bit naughtily, a house I looked at years ago had a garage door
.Behind it was a wall and another
room where the garage used to be but the external door left in place so it
still looked like an integral garage.
As you said older people tend to have more disposable income, if your
vehicle needs something serious repaired say a gearbox do you do that on
the road or pay others to do it or hire a workshop.
A younger persons affordable entry into older vehicle ownership may well be
something that needs a lot of restoration work rather than purchasing
something that only needs polishing. By the nature of being young they
won’t have the other option of owning and keeping a vehicle in good order
for so much of their life that was an ordinary non remarkable car has
become interesting as both owner and vehicle become old.
Used to do everything on the road. That has changed more due to my age
than anything else.
May well be - but doesn't mean they have the skills or the desire to learn
them, to DIY. I blame it on the lack of Meccano for kids. ;-)
Just because you happen to have owned a car for a long time doesn't mean
it hasn't needed restoration work. But may have been less stressful to do
it as required than to start out with a basket case.
The odd thing is electrical/electronic skills seem to be even less common
than once, as regards car stuff. And I'd say even more needed. Odd
considering the exposure of all to electronics.
*It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you.
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
On 30-May-18 1:05 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Many electronic items are of low value and not worth the effort and
cost. £20 radio/alarm throw it away and get a new one. £30 USB
turntable, tiaagano. TV's in the 60/70's used to be a months wages, now
unless very big high res they are a weeks. In the 60/70's spending £50
to fix a £400 TV was worthwhile and £50 paid for a days work + parts.
Now £50 wouldn't pay to get someone out to get the case open but the TV
is still only £400.
About the only large electronic repair sector these days are phones and
maybe laptops. Things like new screens or batteries. No real electronic
skill or knowledge needed, it's all just mechanical assembly to replace
White goods like microwaves, dishwashers and washing machines all have
electronic controls. The makers don't provide service on these they just
change the module. Again just mechanical assembly, so they only employ
repair technicians and not electronic engineers.
How many car ECU's fail? It needs very specialized test equipment. Due
to high level of integration it needs specialized SMD/Hybrid repair
techniques. There are a few places that have made the investment. If you
go to a franchised main dealer again it is just mechanical assembly,
they can't do component level electronic repair so you have to buy a new
On Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:49:30 UTC+1, email@example.com wrote:
ew seem to be into that now, mainly middle aged & older folks.
Things can't be repaired that easily any more.
I used to repair/replace the memoery chips in the BBC computer, finding out
which of the memory addresses was faulty then locating teh actual RAM chip
and replacing. I bet you can;t do that with a modern PC or Mac you just re
place the whole DIMM.
Any fool could change a valve or even a transistor but it's a bit more diff
icult now isolating such things.
But its stupid to be paying a lot more for those
that can and for the parts needed to repair them.
Yes, its possible to repair a Bosch dishwasher,
but when the integrated pump and heater
costs more than a new dishwasher, it makes
no sense to be replacing that instead of just
buying a new one if that fails.
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