Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?

[GB]

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

[Commander Kinsey]

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can. FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

[GB]

Not my fault if I piss on illiterates.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end, just like all your other 'facts'?

[Commander Kinsey]

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes. The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

[Tim Streater]

Some dumbclucks do it all the time. Even when it's not required. And others don't do it when it IS required. English at its finest, eh?

[Commander Kinsey]

It's not necessary unless you're a robot.

[John Rumm]

The article quoted is full of nonsense anyway.

Excuse me while I laugh "they?re a legal requirement and are strictly enforced.", yeah right.

Part P does not have a requirement to use a "fully qualified" electrician. In cases were work is notifiable, work would need to either:

1) be done by someone who is a member of a competent person scheme; (might be someone who has done a part P domestic installer course, and does not know ohms law from his elbow). 2) be done under the auspices of building control; 3) be tested and signed off by someone who is a member of a third party inspection scheme.

(the latter option being newer than the first two)

Of their list of "notifiable jobs". The following are not notifiable:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip Install outdoor or garden lights that run off mains electricity Install additional sockets or a light switch as a spur from a ring main Install communal hallway smoke alarms or emergency lighting Install home entry systems Install electric radiators (where there weren?t any before)

There are only a small number of notifiable jobs now:

Installing a new circuit Replacement of a Consumer unit Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location (note simply changing an accessory like a light fitting or switch does not count as an alteration)

A much better appraisal of Part P without the FUD salesmanship:

[The Natural Philosopher]

Depmds on whether is unions for *an* electrician, or *all* electricians.

Only in the latter case is the trailing apostropehe indicated.

[Tim Streater]

If I recall, no specific individual was referred to.

[tim...]

Not helped by it being wrong

You CAN add an extra socket as a spur yourself (subject to it being a valid place to add a spur)

It's adding socket as part of the ring that you can't do

[tim...]

unfortunately it was brought in as a safety measure (championed by some MP who had lost a family member to a house fire caused by faulty wiring)

tim

[John Rumm]

indeed...

yup

From where did you conjure that random factoid?

Part P does not prevent you adding sockets to a ring, not does it class such activity as notifiable unless in a special location.

[Commander Kinsey]

Why would one be more dangerous than the other? In fact it's more likely you f*ck up a spur, like using 15A cable because you only put one socket there.

The whole idea of the ring main is dangerous anyway. If one cable breaks, it continues working with inadequate protection at the fusebox.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Why not?

I added ALL my sockets that were parts of rings!

[Commander Kinsey]

So one person dies and 65 million pay the price?

[Commander Kinsey]

How does this relate to the conversation above?

[Steve Walker]

You CAN add sockets to a ring. You can even extend the ring (as I did from my living room to avoid putting in a new circuit to the conservatory, so avoiding involving either an electrician or the council).

SteveW

[Commander Kinsey]

What tight credit squeeze? I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit card companies.

I doubt they want any more.

I did once text while driving with a broken arm. I can multitask you see.

[GB]

Yes, but wait till you actually try to apply for a card.

Of course they do. Everyone wants credit so that they can live outside their means.

You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

[ARW]

So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?