ISE washing machines

My Zanussi is on its last legs - the bearing is rumbling, and it looks to be a complete PITA to change it - so the hunt is on for a replacement. I've heard good things about ISE washing machines, apparently designed by repair engineers, with an emphasis on reliability, simplicity and serviceability. Sounds good on paper, but has anyone here had any experience of them?
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I don't really know about ISE machines but I would recommend you get a Miele washing machine.
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On 22 Nov, 12:19, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

This is a helpful link: http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/reviews/ISE-CI555WH-review.html
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Hmmm, interesting.
<http://www.iseappliances.co.uk/downloads/isebrochure2.pdf
"Our aim is to reduce the quantity of domestic appliances sold in the UK each year. To achieve this we needed retailers who also have a vested interest in durability and reparability rather than volume sales. Therefore ISE is only sold by Independent repairers who would rather fix your old machine than sell you another one or specialist retailers of environmentally friendly products who we link to a local repairer to install and service the products sold."
Now which other industry is taking the same stance with their products?
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wrote:

Sounds as if there are built in stock faults, easy to fix and easy money for independent repairers!
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That would be rather self-defeating, as the top models include 10 years parts & labour.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:43 +0000, Adrian C wrote:

BMW? Lexus?
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On 22 Nov, 12:19, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Asko, the quality-equivalent of Miele, pulled out of England in 2000, but they make for ISE. My folks have had their Asko for at least twenty years and have seen an engineer once in that time, who himself said (in the style of a wide-mouthed frog) "I don't see many of these".
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:28:51 -0800, Lino expert wrote:

Heh! I'd forgotten that one!
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No first hand personal experience to draw from regarding the machines themselves, but they're made by companies who have signed up to agree to build to standards set by a group called UK Whitegoods, as you probably already know. I can recommend them as a company and their website's extremely useful.
I've only ever been to them in connection with a fridge and they were top notch - only downside being they couldn't explain why it didn't launder very well.
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http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/index.php
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Stephen Howard wrote:

Wonder if the claims translate into reality
Its a funny thing, but we never used to pay 800 for a washing machine that lasted 15 yrs.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:44:54 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@care2.com wrote:

That's kind of why I posted the query. The specs ( for the ISE5 ) look good, and the ethos is appealing - especially the low-cost parts and serviceability - and the reviews seem to match the comments posted by owners on the whitegoods forum, but I'm inclined to think we're a slightly-harder-to-please bunch on this forum.

I'd be reasonably surprised if modern machines didn't work out cheaper when you factored in purchase price as a percentage of the average weekly wage, operating costs, functionality and effectiveness.
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Stephen Howard wrote:

It looks and sounds rather like the Asea models of quite a few years ago. Have ABB spun off their appliances company?
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Stephen Howard wrote:

They sound serious about it, but they might be less than perfectly skilled in the design dept, resulting in the claims not working out in practice

I guess so. Thats 2-3 decades of inflation for you. Certainly WMs are far more common now than 20-30 yrs ago, which seems to confirm that.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:43:21 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@care2.com wrote:

Depends how much they were involved in the design. From what I can see these machines are built in various factories to a list of requirements ( such as a particular spec of bearing, placement of the motor etc. ) and I'd assume that the factory designers work with those parameters. In my own profession I'd be more than capable of speccing an instrument - the design I'd leave to those better qualified to sort such things out. From what I've seen on the faq pages they seem to know a few things about what makes a machine reliable and serviceable.

People do far more washes these days - my mum's old machine used to take the best part of half a day to cope with a wash...the Zanussi will do ( and often does ) three or more in that time. Modern machines also handle the sort of washes that used to be done by hand and certainly run at far higher speeds on spin. When my mum's old machine got replaced it was still working - but it simply wasn't able to cope with the ever increasing demand placed upon it.
Mind you, it looks rather academic - I showed swmbo a piccy of the ISE5 and she said she didn't like its looks, said it had a 'sticky-out knob' ( yeah, I know ). That leaves Miele, Bosch, Seimens and, apparently, John Lewis's own brand.
I might try sulking a bit.
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<<<snipped>>>

All these machines are pretty much a standard now. Although, saying that, the materials used on some, do have issues on reliability in use. A well known brand name is not a guarantee of quality these days, either. I think the only way to find out if any of them are good enough, is to ask others who have braved the sales floor and bought a particular one.
Tell her indoors that you ended up being a good reliable purchase, even with your sticky-outy-bits. :-)
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Stephen Howard wrote:

A few things isnt enough. Do they know it all? It only takes one oversight, & its not hard to do. And of course there are other ways to go wrong,

can always trim the knob & spindle if necessary.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:43:46 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@care2.com wrote:

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More than most, I'd say - and certainly more than the bods at Zanussi by the looks of it.

On the wife's brand new washing machine?? I think I'll go check if any Danish newspapers need a religious cartoonist instead...
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Stephen Howard wrote:

Sorry but theres no way you can tell the relative skill levels of the designers from their site. One can see theyre aiming for a better machine, but the issues they list there are just a tiny fraction of the factors that affect reliability and longevity. What makes the difference in machine life is both designer skill and budget - skillled designers produce cut price goods as wel as top end ones.

Its not difficult. Remove knob, trim the non-visible end, trim spindle and it will go back on in a more flush position.
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