Incompetent fitter pays the price.

[curious]

[Onetap]

Negligent, not incompetent, fitter; he was registered and knew how to do it properly. he couldn't be arsed &/or didn't check his employees work.

[A.Lee]

Yet each gas fitter is responsible for his own work, not like electrical work, where the NICEIC allow one person to be registered with them, he/she can then have 20 employees doing work for them, and they do not have to have any training in electrical work at all.

There is more to the story than in the reports. He must have been involved personally in the bad work, or employing non-Gassafe workers, and he was signing off their work.

Either way, he deserves to go to prison.

[JimK]

" "He was Gas Safe registered, he had passed the exams, he was properly on the register, but in this case he wasn't properly qualified to work in the particular type of installation that he was working on and he shouldn't have worked on it."

So not competent?

Jim K

[Jethro_uk]

Sorry, he didn't pay the price. The two dead boys did :(

[Dave Liquorice]

Agreed, that report itself has bits of information that don't support each other or highlight missing detail.

And struck off and not be allowed to join any other regulatory body related to gas work. ie he is no longer allowed to do gas work. Not that he'd care with 19 other, known, cases of shoddy work.

[John Rumm]

but it also says that he did not work on the boiler in question personally anyway...

As a professional it would obviously be unwise to work one something for which you did not have the required course / exam passes to verify competence, however as we know, the law does not define what "competence" actually requires. So he would equally be able to argue he had studied >whatever> and had a detailed understanding of it even if he never took a test in it.

[John Rumm]

Is that actually the case though? I have seen plenty of CORGI/Gas Safe bods where they have an assistant do the bulk of the work, and just check and sign it off. I also encountered one relatively sizeable firm, where the owner seemed to spend his life doing exams in this that and the other, so as to be the main signatory for his 20 or so men actually doing the work.

Quite probably I would have thought...

[dennis]

But would a competent fitter have made the error? If not then he wasn't competent.

[Robin]

You are of course right. It would otherwise be rather hard for apprentices to learn the trade as they'd not be allowed actually to *do* anything until they were qualified and registered.

The point is rather that only registered persosn can carry out work "in their own right". It all follows from the much-quoted reg. 3(3) of The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations. So far as relevant on this point

"(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above ["competence"] ....no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework .... unless the employer ...is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph."

Gas Safe put this in plain terms when they tell employees they cannot use their employers' registration to do work "in their own right" (ie no moonlighting).

[Onetap]

n the register, but in this case he wasn't properly qualified to work in th e particular type of installation that he was working on and he shouldn't h ave worked on it."

Do you not own a dictionary or are you unable to use one? I've googled it f or you;

competent /?k?mp?t(?)nt/ adjective adjective: competent

1. having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something succes sfully.

Gas Safe registered and so seemingly competent, BUT negligent, in that he neglected to ensure the work was carried out corr ectly.

There is a difference between the meaning of the two words, Jim.

[JimK]

" he wasn't properly qualified to work in the particular type of installation that he was working on and he shouldn't have worked on it."

Or did you read it differently.....

Jim K

[John Rumm]

but the man jailed was not the fitter...

So the fitter was incompetent and/or negligent, while the supervisor was certainly negligent - but its hard to assess his competence.

[ARW]

This guy has a worse record