Nope, they have been a mess for years...
For the caravan, I swapped over to a certain brand of exchangeable
lightweight gas bottle - a great system originally developed by BP,
available at BP garages and cheaper than Calor. BP pulled out, Macgas
bought the rights, since when access to the bottles has been
'difficult' with so very few stockists. That is except for Homebase.
Homebase put in a policy of only swapping bottles, if you had bought
the original deposit from them and could produce the original receipt,
even then the swap cost was over £32 when with difficulty it could be
found from other sources for £24-50, but well scattered.
Last year Homebase dropped the requirement for the original bottle
receipt and dropped the price to a much more reasonable £27-50. This
year they ramped the price up to a whopping £41-99. I managed to find a
stockist selling for £27-50 50 miles away, then a much more local
supplier willing to source the gas and deliver it to home for £27-00,
who is to deliver later today.
On Fri, 25 May 2018 09:13:07 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I've just got one of these for the caravan & also use it on the patio for
£160 investment for the 10Kg, but I own it & the initial fill was the grand
sum of £9 for about 16.5l. A third of the cost of a Calor 6Kg exchange, for
50% more gas in a comparable cylinder footprint.
Not in practice. From the Safefill site: "LPG is now available on many
petrol station forecourts however as the industry has had concerns about
people illegally filling rented cylinders, you may be refused in many of
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Thanks but no traditional cylinder will give me the weight saving
offered by Safefill and their like, and which appeals as I get ever
And I think their point about "illegally" needs to be unpacked. AIUI it
a. garages have concerns about people filling rented bottles which
aren't designed for DIY filling at pumps and AIUI is illegal
b. so they play safe and decline to sell to anyone filling a bottle.
I don't see how that is restraint of trade. AFAICS it's also not
unlawful discrimination - unless someone can argue successfully it is on
the basis of a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. Now if
Safefill gave cylinders to a load of travellers and sponsored their case...
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Apart from the throw-away cartridges, they are all refillable,
including my own BP Gaslight system. The suppliers I assume, drain them
completely, then refill with an amount measured by weight or volume -
that is something which is less easy to safely accomplish on a garage
The several tanks which are designed for the user to refill, include a
float valve type to prevent them being over filled.
Me- I have two BP Gaslight bottles which use a 27mm clip on adaptor.
When one becomes empty, I seek out an exchange for a full one. Problem
the logistics - that often involves taking along a near empty one and a
fresh full bottle for when that runs out, so it would be nice to be
able to transfer the contents of say a 1/4 full bottle, into a 1/2 full
bottle. That way I would only ever need to have one bottle in my front
My system uses a 27mm clip on adaptor, connected to a regulator on a
bulk head, connected via a high pressure hose. I could connect two
bottle together with a high pressure hose, using two 27mm clip ons to
allow me to transfer, except for the fact that each clip on has a built
in one way valve which allows flow out from the cylinder, but not in.
I used to use Calor bottles, but they are expensive and being steel
they are heavy. Back in the 1970's they introduced an alloy bottle
which I bought into, then they stopped offering them. When the BP light
composite bottle arrived, I bought into them (bottle deposits are not
cheap), the refills were also cheaper than Calor.
I understand Calor did their best to kill the BP Gaslight system, by
restrictive practices. Any dealer who tried to sell BP gas, was refused
supply of Calor bottles.
Homebase sold BP, but they were uber expensive, along with just a few
independents. The BP Gaslight system was then bought by Macgas, who
continued to supply Homebase and reluctantly it seemed, the
independents. Macgas seems to have not really promoted the BP system
since they bought it, for reasons best known to themselves.
I had a fresh BP bottle delivered yesterday by an independent. He
doesn't normally stock them, but agreed to have a go at getting them.
He said he had quite a struggle getting a bottle from his supplier. He
charged me £27 - yet Homebase quoted £41-99 for the same 10Kg bottle
Macgas insist they can do nothing about how much Homebase charge. It is
a far better system than Calor's offering, potentially cheaper - it
just needs to be properly marketed and actually sort out a proper,
reliable supply network.
Well I'm well outside the M25 & got mine from
https://www.lodgefarmleisure.com/ who have invested in a propane tank. They
sell lots of them but do struggle with getting them due to their
You can fill these at petrol stations but some don't like it due to safety
concerns, so thay have a document for you to show at petrol stations.
I should add they are also light, as they are plastic apart from the gas
connections. Also safe in the event of a fire, they will gracefully spring
leaks & burn off in a controlled manner.
I think it's 8 refills for ROI campared to exchange bottles.
The absolutely identicle container to the BP Gaslight container, 5Kg
and 10Kg apart from - The BP has a green upper whereas that has red and
it has a safefill float valve built in to prevent over filling.
My full BP bottles arrive with the liquid up to the top of the upper
'window' in the white plastic. I had a fresh 10Kg delivered here as an
exchange, for the sum of £27 inc delivery - bargain compared to
Homebase's attempt to rob people.
non refillable plastic
Fundamental difference between normal bottle whether metal or plastic
and refillable is the self refil ones have float shut off valve to
ensure there is 20% ullage space. But operation is very defendant on the
person filling it making sure it's upright.
Thanks, I had not come across those before.
That again is identicle to my BP /Macgas Gaslight bottle, except the
blue top is green on on my bottles. I very much doubt they are 'non
refillable' the bottles are too expensive for single use.
I will make some enquiries with Macgas/Flogas.
None "user" refillable like a steel calor bottle. Calor refill them.
Flogas refill these.
As they are translucent you may be able to see the level. LPG needs 20%
Pol to LPG autogas adapters are under £30 on E-bay.
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