Energy Monitor in Lidl Sunday 12th

As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20061113.p.Energy_Monitor.ar1
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Simply plug into your socket to find out how many kWh of energy you use whilst running an electric appliance By programming the rate per hour you can see the total cost of your consumption at a glance Functions: - Voltage - Strength of the electric current - Watt - Maximum power - Energy consumption in kWh - Cost Includes battery
All for 6.99 !
It's getting to the stage when I look at things like this and think there must be long and short term downsides to getting this stuff so cheap.
One short term downside for me is that it is getting difficult for me to get customers to pay an economic price for on site repairs I do to their electronic systems. when they can have new electronic gadgetry from China (Thankfully not my sort of stuff) literally dirt cheap.
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INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS
With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.
Every day the media is full of the latest rise in energy costs and many people are worried as to how they can afford to keep warm this winter and all the other winters to come, where things will no doubt get worse rather than better. In the South West many people live in rural areas, have no mains gas and are therefore obliged to heat via Night Storage heaters, which are generally very inefficient and not able to be controlled, or are homeowners reliant on oil or liquid gas central heating. The recent rapid prices in crude oil have making themselves felt as homeowners fill up their oil and gas tanks for the winter and nearly have a heart attack when they compare the bill to last year.
However, there are innovative, affordable, controllable and economical answers available and one of these is provided by Electrowarm of 14 Southgate Chambers in Launceston, South East Cornwall. Electrowarm was founded by Joseph Taylor in SE Cornwall after several years in the building trade and contacts with friends in Germany discovered that certain thing that were already takebn for granted in the continent, like energy-saving heating technology, were not very prevalent in the UK, especially in the South West.
Instead of just complaining, Joseph Taylor set up Electrowarm to import and distribute directly from the manufacturer to end users a well established range of slim-line electrical storage radiators which not only look good, but which are very easy to install; are maintenance free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable, Controllable, Comfortable, Economical WARMTH! Hence the company slogan: "Plug in and Warm Up". The Electrowarm System was developed in Germany back in 1972 and has been extremely successful there and in other European countries ever since. The Made in Germany quality comes with a no quibbles 15 Year guarantee of quality. The heaters only require approx. 15 minutes of electricity to provide 60 minutes of heat thanks to the unique storage capabilities of the Chamotte fire clay heating and storage cells.
The many existing happy Electrowarm customers range from homeowners in exposed locations whose house has never been so warm, through Residential Homes where the vulnerable elderly residents are now enjoying a new level of cosiness and also include companies who have refurbished their offices. All are amazed at the speed and simplicity of installation, the easiness of control, the very effective thermostat and the wonderful radiant heat which the Electrowarm heating system gives out. No more cold draughty floors, no more dust swirling through the air from convector heaters, night storage heaters and open fires which end up warming the ceiling (where nobody sits) and where the dust is aggravating for allergy sufferers. Just clean, cosy, affordable, controllable and economical heat... MMMMMM
One Cornish Council (Carrick) even give grant support for the electrowarm system and other Councils and Housing Associations are checking out at the system for their housing requirements, both for existing properties as well as new build.
Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable with other central heating systems, if not cheaper. The more you buy the cheaper the individual heaters become. There is no trauma of installation upheaval, no building work and no costly maintenance once the system is installed. The Electrowarm system also provides no smells and no noises so is completely clean.
Electrowarm offer a completely free - no obligation - visit by one of their trained and professional consultants to give you a demonstration of the unique storage capacity of this heating system and they can carry out a survey of your home and your individual requirements - also free and without obligation - so as to calculate your particular heating requirements. Once they have worked out the heating requirements, the Electrowarm Consultant can then calculate what the running costs will be for you based on your own particular electricity tariff.
Want to know more about Electrowarm? See www.electrowarm.info or ring them on FREEPHONE 0800-111 6122 for further information. You will end up saving energy, saving money and helping the environment by using an efficient form of heating.

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On 11 Nov 2006 10:51:33 -0800 snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote :

3 electric heaters for 1985!
Thanks, but no thanks.
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On 11 Nov 2006 10:51:33 -0800, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com"

Oh look, a genuine brainless git.
"From:          snipped-for-privacy@googlemail.com Date:        Sun, Jul 2 2006 8:22 pm
Hi Nadia and all, That is absolutely sensible. The values are what I 'll call the blood that runs through our company's veins. We are building our brand around these. Electrowarm (UK&NI) Limited are working around the following goals:.."
Was "pathetic spammer" one of the unstated goals?
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I'll just note again, that in common with one I bought from maplin, the one I bought last year overreads at 150-200% on some PC power supplies. Other than that, it's fine.
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On 11 Nov,

Better, as I have done to buy an ordinary electricity meter (TLC do one for a tenner) and mount it on a board with a 13a socket or two, and feed it from a 13a plug. Hang the board on the wall next to appliance and power through the board. Meter reading is done the same way as the domestic one to similar accuracy, quick sum tells you the cost of running the appliance.
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INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS
With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.
Every day the media is full of the latest rise in energy costs and many people are worried as to how they can afford to keep warm this winter and all the other winters to come, where things will no doubt get worse rather than better. In the South West many people live in rural areas, have no mains gas and are therefore obliged to heat via Night Storage heaters, which are generally very inefficient and not able to be controlled, or are homeowners reliant on oil or liquid gas central heating. The recent rapid prices in crude oil have making themselves felt as homeowners fill up their oil and gas tanks for the winter and nearly have a heart attack when they compare the bill to last year.
However, there are innovative, affordable, controllable and economical answers available and one of these is provided by Electrowarm of 14 Southgate Chambers in Launceston, South East Cornwall. Electrowarm was founded by Joseph Taylor in SE Cornwall after several years in the building trade and contacts with friends in Germany discovered that certain thing that were already takebn for granted in the continent, like energy-saving heating technology, were not very prevalent in the UK, especially in the South West.
Instead of just complaining, Joseph Taylor set up Electrowarm to import and distribute directly from the manufacturer to end users a well established range of slim-line electrical storage radiators which not only look good, but which are very easy to install; are maintenance free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable, Controllable, Comfortable, Economical WARMTH! Hence the company slogan: "Plug in and Warm Up". The Electrowarm System was developed in Germany back in 1972 and has been extremely successful there and in other European countries ever since. The Made in Germany quality comes with a no quibbles 15 Year guarantee of quality. The heaters only require approx. 15 minutes of electricity to provide 60 minutes of heat thanks to the unique storage capabilities of the Chamotte fire clay heating and storage cells.
The many existing happy Electrowarm customers range from homeowners in exposed locations whose house has never been so warm, through Residential Homes where the vulnerable elderly residents are now enjoying a new level of cosiness and also include companies who have refurbished their offices. All are amazed at the speed and simplicity of installation, the easiness of control, the very effective thermostat and the wonderful radiant heat which the Electrowarm heating system gives out. No more cold draughty floors, no more dust swirling through the air from convector heaters, night storage heaters and open fires which end up warming the ceiling (where nobody sits) and where the dust is aggravating for allergy sufferers. Just clean, cosy, affordable, controllable and economical heat... MMMMMM
One Cornish Council (Carrick) even give grant support for the electrowarm system and other Councils and Housing Associations are checking out at the system for their housing requirements, both for existing properties as well as new build.
Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable with other central heating systems, if not cheaper. The more you buy the cheaper the individual heaters become. There is no trauma of installation upheaval, no building work and no costly maintenance once the system is installed. The Electrowarm system also provides no smells and no noises so is completely clean.
Electrowarm offer a completely free - no obligation - visit by one of their trained and professional consultants to give you a demonstration of the unique storage capacity of this heating system and they can carry out a survey of your home and your individual requirements - also free and without obligation - so as to calculate your particular heating requirements. Once they have worked out the heating requirements, the Electrowarm Consultant can then calculate what the running costs will be for you based on your own particular electricity tariff.
Want to know more about Electrowarm? See www.electrowarm.info or ring them on FREEPHONE 0800-111 6122 for further information. You will end up saving energy, saving money and helping the environment by using an efficient form of heating.

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How ?

So what is the price ? And for my other rooms ?

Yes I'm sure I will.
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Care to offer some figures about running costs? Full price electricity is much more expensive than like for like gas for heating. So you're telling porkies. Are you related to dribble?
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Dave Plowman (News) wrote :

It does depend a bit on the property and how you work out heating costs. It's not unreasonable to assume IMO that an electric system should run for ten years without maintenance, whilst a gas boiler needs an annual service at least, possible repairs every year or four depending on make. Factor these in and it's not impossible that the total cost for a place built to recent BR standards might be no more with electric.
Having said this, a non heat pump electric system cannot get more than 1kWh out of each unit.
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^non cogeneration.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Ok, look at this:
Dimplex has electric shock for UK`s gas guzzling heating
26 April 2006
The UK`s householders could be paying more than double the amount they need to for their heating systems, ending up more than 2,600 out of pocket over a 10 year period, according to the latest calculations by electric heating market leader Dimplex.
Dimplex calculates that some gas users are spending 6,300 on their system over an average lifetime of 10 years, compared with just 3,640 for a similar electric system over the same period. The Dimplex research analysed the annual costs of installation, maintenance, fuel prices and safety checks, comparing a typical installation of six electric or wet radiators with their lifetime expectations.
Other recent research using information from the National Landlords Association and British Gas Servicing has already highlighted the fact that gas heating is 17 per cent more expensive to own and run than electric systems and 46 per cent more expensive for landlords and social housing developers. But now, the new Dimplex calculations have revealed an even greater `fuel divide`, says Chris Davis, marketing manager.
"Because electric heating is cheaper to install, maintain and lasts an average of 50% longer than a gas system, the true ownership costs will be a nasty shock for gas users," he says. For specifiers and landlords, electric heating has always been a relatively low cost installation and management option and now that gas kWh prices are rising, it`s prompting the end users and particularly those on lower incomes to re-evaluate their heating, adds Davis.
"With dwindling supplies and soaring energy costs, the cost of heating is re-emerging as a topic of conversation as consumers, and especially those in fuel poverty, are feeling the pinch in their pockets. It`s forcing people to wake up to the fact that the crucial figure with heating is the total lifetime ownership cost and it`s where electric makes sense as the first choice for heating systems," he says.
The latest Dimplex calculations have used the 2006 figures from BRE (GPG345) for annual fuel costs for heating and hot water. They showed that a typical 2 bedroom flat has an average annual fuel cost of 264 for electric and 138 for gas but once all the ownership costs are calculated (including capital costs, annual mandatory safety checks, maintenance) the actual lifetime cost per annum adds up to 630 for the gas-heated flat, but only 364 for the electrically heated dwelling. And using the same calculation criteria, a typical terraced house has an average annual heating cost of 731 for gas and 493 for electric.
"One of the few good things about the rising energy prices is that consumers are now having to re-focus on their heating systems, taking a more holistic view. Combine this with the longer term drive towards the use of renewable energy and the latest Building Regulations which require more controllable heating with higher levels of insulation and the odds for electric heating have never looked better," says Davis.
Source: http://engine.solid8.com/servlet/SolDisplay?purpose=viewpressrelease&pressid=1453&username=glen3&username2=2019283042
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On 12 Nov 2006 14:13:51 -0800, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com"
Brainless pillock, the only thing you can quote is a survey from another seller of night storage heaters? Oh, forgot - yours are not even that are they.

So you are supporting the offloading of costs by "social" landlords onto tenants who have no choice in the matter and are least able to pay. You think they should get fuel bills which are twice as much with electricity than gas? Sums your company up I suppose.
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:46:40 +0000 Peter Parry wrote :

Someone has to pay for the servicing, repairs, annual gas safety check, boiler replacement, and in a social landlord situation you are paying someone to organise these things. Ultimately it's not the landlord who pays - it's either the tenant or (for social housing) the taxpayer.
And in social housing you can get a small percentage of problematic tenants who will not allow access for servicing and safety checks, thus the programmers that knock the heating back to a low level if the servicing has not been done and the counter reset.
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I told them not to use dribble to design and install their gas heating system...
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Except that is doesn't. It refers only to the installation and maintenance costs of a gas central heating system. Nothing whatsoever to do with the gas consumption.
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This really isn't a newsgroup in which you can get away with peddling marketing bullshit.

It's a shame he didn't read the IEE Wiring Regulations, where he would have found it is not permitted to run electric heaters which form the main heating system from sockets on the ring circuit.

Funny, the web site specifically mentions the "chimney effect" (convection) of the heaters.

Individual electric heaters should be very much cheaper than central heating. 2 grand for 3 electric wall heaters really is incredible.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

If you believe that I've got a bridge for sale.
PS electric storage heaters are 100% efficient. And electric heating is the most expensive of all heating options. Trading Standards may find this company of interest.
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They may be in the strict sense of converting energy to heat, but not in providing it when needed. For that you'd need perfect insulation until they're actually used.

I'd agree. Their claims and prices are ludicrous.
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