Diesoon v. Numatic Re: Those were the days!

That's because they're trying to train you to do it too. That's why they bring the live one in and let it go.

And it works: I've become quite adept at catching such mice.

I have NEVER seen a cat catch a bat. Amazing

Bullshit

They hunt whenever they want And they use their eyes to do it. Moonlight maybe.

That seems odd for a "carrion eater"

Maybe some cat OWNES bother to observe their cats closely, and dont talk rubbish.

Nah. Watch "Caddyshack"....

We had a cat like that. We called the vacuum cleaner 'the evil carpet snake'.

Funny sequel. We were visiting my sister-in-law and her husband. She is an accountant, and loves board games (you get the picture). We were persuaded to play Pictionary for the first time.

My wife and I were on one team, SIL and husband on the other. We had one of those points where you have to describe an item to your partner and they must guess it before the opposition. SWMBO drew a scared looking cat and a vacuum cleaner. I said "snake", which was correct. I don't think SIL has ever forgiven us.

Yes there is a change of that happening.

But the probability of the domesticated cat collecting items which either died by themselves (heart failure, disease etc) or killed by something else is surely much less likely than if it was killed by the domesticated cat, especially as domesticated cats sometimes lose interest in what they kill themselves.

And in the case of feral cats, they are surely going to eat whatever they kill if they have no other source of food?

The city with the biggest feral cat population, over 100 000 homeless street cats, is the City of Toronto.

On Saturday, July 16th, 2011 at 13:40:26h +0100, The Natural Philosopher declared:

Very true -- death can be fatal, and is always inevitable.

Why bother with cats though.

Get++ a real pet the whole family will enjoy --

(++ Not to be take literally)

Now don't refer to Africans like that. Its racist or something.

Spoken like an expert in that topic. :-) I look forwards to you presenting your statistical evidence to show that they *don't* hunt at night and that any text that calls them nocturnal hunters is - to use your technical term

- "bullshit". But then I'm still awaiting the stats for your other opinions stated as 'facts'... :-)

You might also like to investigate the biology and physiology of the eyes of cats. No cats need be harmed. :-)

Yes, I'm sure that is true of *some* of them. Some may even realise that you don't "own" a cat, but the cat may decide to favour you with its presence. :-) Indeed, we used to be so favoured when I was young. So although you may think otherwise, I have no blanket objection to either cats as pets or their (self-styled) 'owners'. I just don't seem to share some of your beliefs about their behaviour. Nor do I accept your claims just because you make them. I'm waiting for your evidence, though

- as dist> The trouble s cats are carrion eaters. For every 100 birds that cats

...or almost any other of your personal beliefs that you might prefer to think are facts. :-)

So where's the assessable statistical evidence for the various beliefs you keep presenting using vague sweeping claims about "probably", "chance", etc?

Maybe you should be posting as "The Unnatural Theologian" since you seem to be just expecting us to accept your assertions as articles of faith. ;->

Slainte,

Jim

A friend of mine once had his cats bring a rabbit in through the bedroom window to leave on his bed as a gift. But the jump across from the shed roof to the window was too much holding a whole rabbit, so they had to chew it in half first.

(Ours mostly just catch mice, with the very occasional bird. I've seen them with live ones often enough to know that the "99% carrion" thing is bollocks, unless you count pet food as carrion.)

Ours once brought home a Moorhen. Blood and black feathers all over the kitchen.

No stats. but my belief is that cats pose the biggest threat to nestlings of those species nesting within jumping distance of the ground. Of course Foxes and Mustelids may also be blamed.

regards

By a strange and amazing coincidence there was a sequence of loud yowling in the small hours, resulting in my turning on the lights in the sunroom in time to see two cats departing rapidly in opposite directions, one through a rose bush and up and over the shed (with difficulty, it was fairly obese). I suspect such mechanical problems plus the neighbours' Jack Russells and ferrets may keep them away.

Most of the non-accidental bird deaths I've seen evidence of involve plucking, almost certainly the sparrowhawks.

You just reminded me I haven't seen pheasants or partridges in the garden for a long time now, though I hear and see them in the fields. Some years they've been such regular visitors I put out a casserole to get them used to the idea.

Oh it didn't eat it, just played with it for a while :(

They mostly ate or partly ate the mice and other rodents they caught. Domestic cats retain a lot of kitten behaviours, chase and sometimes catch stuff just for the hell of it rather than for food. I've seen them attack a bird's nest without actually killing any of the young, just using them for target practice.

They don't go so fast with less than the average number of legs :(

I've never technically *owned* one, they just adopt me.

Good grief!

Are you sure the cat did that? I've found half rabbits which were amputated by a fox, maybe the cat just picked such a half rabbit up and made like it had caught it itself?

Nowadays petfood is mostly Healthy Whole Grains? which is why there's an "epidemic" of pet obesity and diabetes alongside the human equivalent

Grey squirrels, and to some extent magpies