Indeed. But that was not the point I was replying to. Which was about how to charge EVs parked on the street.
If talking diversity, the same applies to charging cars. Not everyone will need to charge one from empty to full every day - or indeed in as short a time as possible.
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Dave Plowman (News
I'm well aware about diversity. Which can apply to charging EVs too.
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The Natural Philosopher
Cant you afford to let him live in a house? Even if it's yours?
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Robin
then please explain /how/ substantial numbers of EVs can be charged at home in addition to existing use without increasing the ADMD
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The Natural Philosopher
Don't ask Dave. He can't understand Big Words. And he doesn't Do Sums.
Any answer you get will be a hand wavy 'the wind is always blowing somewhere' sort of response.
The actual figures that suggest that gas and road fuel together are about 65% of UK energy consumption show that the grid needs to double or treble in size to go 'zero carbon' and the figures that show that this is completely unsustainable using 'renewable energy' are conveniently discarded.
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Roland Perry
In message snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, at 15:16:47 on Thu, 21 Jan
They both use the same backhaul to the substation.
But having an EV roughly doubles the average power consumption of a household, so despite diversity, it will fry the cables.
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Roland Perry
In message snipped-for-privacy@outlook.com, at
15:08:47 >> >>> In message snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, at 00:46:33 on Thu, 21 Jan
Yes, massive investment to double the local networks. Not just tapping all the EV chargers into the existing network.
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Roland Perry
In message <ruc605$57k$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 15:18:29 on Thu, 21 Jan
2021, The Natural Philosopher snipped-for-privacy@invalid.invalid remarked:
Joking apart (he lives in a house on a such a street) he's thinking of getting an EV, and I serious doubt the 240v supply which is daisy-chained along the eaves at the front of the houses on the terrace (fed by what a city-dweller would probably mistake for a telegraph pole) is up to it.
I don't know at what stage someone installing a fast charger in such circumstances has to get permission from the electric company.
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Fred
Nope.
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Roland Perry
In message snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>, at 06:13:04 on Fri, 22 Jan 2021, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com remarked:
It is. Mindful also that 1kWh costs an average of 16p in the UK, which if we multiply up as 18hrs x 365 days, would be a thousand pounds, and very few people have electricity bills that big.
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Chris Hogg
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Fred
That's not a swinging or telescopic gantry, extended when needed. Its just a traditional pump against the wall.
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Chris Hogg
LOL! There's none so blind as those who will not see!
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Roland Perry
In message snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>, at 08:41:25 on Fri, 22 Jan 2021, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com remarked:
Not only is it true, but it's been mentioned by the National Grid as one of the main constraints on the rollout of electric cars.
Not everyone is cooking their dinner at the same time (or are even at home). Quite a lot will also be cooking with gas.
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Fred
You're the one that needs glasses if you 'think' that either of those two pumps have a swinging or telescopic gantry, extended when needed.
In fact they just have a hose like the current pumps do.
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Chris Hogg
Bearing in mind that in your first reply you said it was "just a traditional pump against the wall", when there are two pumps on an island, neither of them against a wall, my comment was more than justified.
I'll let others decide which of us is right, and whether those two long overhead arms swing out as needed, or whether "they just have a hose like the current pumps do".
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Fred
Bullshit it is with the stupid claim being discussed.
<reams of your even silly flagrantly dishonest s*it flushed where it belongs>
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Roland Perry
In message snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>, at 17:47:10 on Fri, 22 Jan 2021, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com remarked:
They've got all the data.
There's probably more cooking with gas now than there ever was.
Very expensive compared to gas. And once again, not on simultaneously in every house in the street.
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The Natural Philosopher
Bless! "The wind is always blowing somewhere"
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Roland Perry
In message <rue92o$55i$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 10:23:20 on Fri, 22 Jan
2021, The Natural Philos>> And once again, not on simultaneously in every house in the street. >
That's another diversity issue, and as you say, one that's rather suspect.
However, given that the street wiring in much of the country is sized for 2kW per premises, and they don't burn out very often, we can conclude just from that evidence, that substation->premises diversity does in fact work.
Just like the 15kW diversity in my house works (I haven't blown a main fuse, ever) but if I added even an entry level 7.4kW EV wallbox I think it probably would [blow the fuse]. I'm investigating getting it upgraded to 100A as a result.
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