Thanks to high electricity prices and low gas prices it now costs less
per mile to run our Prius Plug-In on gasoline than on electricity.
Miles per Gallon: 45
Price per Gallon: $3.00
Cost Per Gasoline Mile: 6.67¢
Miles per KWH: 4
Price per KWH: $0.324 (no joke!)
Cost Per Electric Mile: 8.10¢
A Tesla is about 0.5 KWH/mile so at the same electricity cost it's far
more expensive than a gasoline powered vehicle.
The problem is the high electricity cost in my area. In areas of the
country where the electricity cost is half the price then it'd be
break-even for the Tesla, and a savings on the Prius. We are not big
electricity users since A/C is rarely needed here, and the water heater,
furnace, and clothes dryer are natural gas. But we always end up in the
top tier for electricity usage ($0.32445/KWH) which starts at 201% over
The tremendous advantage of a plug-in hybrid, or all-electric, in
California, is the carpool lane access with a single person. And due to
state and federal tax credits, and factory to buyer incentives, the
Prius Plug-In was the same price as the gasoline-only model, and Plug-In
came with navigation and several other features. The carpool lane access
is really nice even though I don't really agree with the idea that
single occupancy vehicles should ever get to use the carpool lane; OTOH,
every additional vehicle in the carpool lane means less vehicles in the
other lanes so there is some benefit to everyone.
Assuming all your information is correct, you should spread this
observation further. Even with all the subsidies, the Prius costs are
spread to the taxpayer who pays for it. Cost to everyone is more for
transportation in these vehicles. Same goes for pollution advantage, it
is spread elsewhere in the form of the battery production and
electricity generated at polluting sites.
This is true for the moment, but what about the
future? Why not set up a solar powered recharging
station for your vehicle? Yes, there is the high
expense of the solar panels but those panels can
also help reduce the household power bill.
Expences will constantly rise given time. Going
solar now might save a true fortune in the future.
BTW, there are small solar panels that can be
stuck on the inside of the vehicle window, then
plugged into a cigarette lighter to help charge a
vehicle battery while parked for the day.
On 11/4/2014 2:23 PM, email@example.com wrote:
The Prius Plug-In requires 3KWH to charge the battery. A fully charged
battery provides 12-14 miles of driving. This is actually enough for the
spousal-unit's daily commute so during the week this vehicle rarely used
Those little solar panels are not going to make a dent in 3KWH. Plus,
the battery packs cars require a minimum of 120VAC to charge, there is
no option to charge small packs of cells with a 12VDC charger. It would
take 200 hours to charge the Prius Plug-In battery with a 15W charger,
assuming no losses. The reality is that it would take about 300 hours.
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:22:13 PM UTC-5, Vandy Terre wrote:
Great idea. Sink another $45K into a solar array to
charge the electric car that's already cost prohibitive.
And the only reason that solar electric is marginally practical
at all is that it's heavily subsidized by the rest of the poor
saps out there so that the hippies can put them in.
Sure sink big $$$ today so that if energy costs more in 2030,
you'll be ready. Remember when Jimmy Carter and the experts told
us we were running out of oil in the 70's? How well did that
I'm sure that's good for going at least a few blocks.
Well, after Carter, we had a couple admin that
prohibited domestic drilling, Alaska pipe line,
etc. So, the price of oil has gone from .33 when
I was a kid, and went over 4.25 for a while, due
to supply shortages. I'd like O out, and Sarah
Palin for Pres.
The Toyota manual recommends 5000 miles oil changes and not much else for
the first 100000. 80000 would be 16 changes. At a little less than 4 quarts
of oil and a $6 Swix filter, lets say $20, that does beat $5000 by a lot.
I was under the mistaken impression that batteries
did not care what the voltage was. I don't expect
a small charger to make a big difference just
making use of vehicle being parked in the sun. I
would like to see vehicles with solar panels built
into the roof such that a charge is added anytime
there be sunlight.
Excuse me, Wix. As for synthetic, the owner's manual specifies 5W-30 and
does not mention synthetic. The first two years of maintenance may be
included, but I do my own work. If you want to use Toyota filters, go for
it. I'll use either NAPA Gold or Wix, which are the smae thing.
I would LOVE to have an electric car, even if it cost more per mile to
drive. Unfortunately, the initial cost of an electric car puts them way
out of my price range.
I realize I am in the minority, but I drive an old 1976 VW Rabbit.
I bought it used for $850 in 1988 and have spent approximately $8000 on
maintenance and repairs since then. I keep a log of my fuel expenses and
have spent $9200 on gas since I have owned the car. I get about 25mpg
now, but it has been as low as 19mpg when I was having carburetor issues.
So, in 26 years the car has cost me less than $18,000, including the
vehicle cost, maintenance, and fuel. That includes a new paint job, and
an engine replacement. It currently has about 400,000 miles on it.
At my current rate, I could drive my old car another 26 years and still
come out less than the cost of most electric vehicles. Even if I have to
rebuild the engine and repaint the car again.
From an environmental aspect, it takes a lot more energy and polution to
manufacturer all the steel, plastics, and rubber that make up a new
vehicle. The "cash for clunkers" program years ago made no sense to me as
a lot more energy and polution would be used to build all those new cars
than the better efficiency would provide. Not to mention the energy and
waste to recycle the old vehicles.
Cars lose value so quickly I would never buy a brand new vehicle. Every
car we have ever purchased has been at least 10 years old, and we've
never paid more than $4000 for a vehicle.
Of course, I realize everyone doesn't have the desire or ability to drive
an old car (maintenance costs would be MUCH higher if you had to pay
shops to do the work). At some point age and rust, or accident damage
will force you to buy a newer vehicle. Or, you just might WANT a newer
To each their own, but paying $30K and up for a new car to get slightly
lower cost per mile just doesn't make sense.
Assuming the CfC was environment in nature. It was much more to get
people to buy new cars and keep the automakers in business until "real"
demand took off again. The pollution stuff was just a bone tossed to
certain groups for campaign money (and they actually fell for it!)
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