Another credit card problem.

But just as easy to secure. Especially if you venture into whole phone encryption coupled with a security location.

No Windows here either. I have a VM with Win7 on it for special occasions. But last time I span it up, I couldn't do what I wanted (rip all my 20 years calendar data from Hotmail into Outlook). That was over a year ago.

The problem with this idea that dealing with "people" can sort things out is that it requires the "people" you deal with to actually have a f****ng clue. About anything. Which is expensive, and not what the vast majority of punters actually want. They might *say* they do. Right up to the point when they have to pay for it.

If I have to speak to a person, I'd rather they knew what they were talking about - which tends towards a central team, by phone. (I'd prefer email, but realise that's probably a good few years off).

Even when you do visit a branch, you're confronted with someone whose job it is to steer you to a machine while suggesting you do it online ....

My point was that some smart phones can be configured to work in regions with no mobile service if there is a Wifi internet connection available.

Mine too !

I don't have a separate VoIP account but can use WiFi for calling if the network signal is low. They still charge the same though.

I can also use skype.

Well you have "trusted microsoft store apps" which is all you can install on win10 in S mode. (However you can turn S mode off at any time, you can't turn it back on though.)

I don't know anyone else that finds it confusing.

I suppose that strictly an app is a program that is designed to be an end product while other programs, like access, are there to build end products from and aren't that useful without extra work.

Its more to do with correcting the duff information out there.

Neither of which are actually true as you would know if you used win 10. Its two of the many myths spread by people for some reason.

It doesn't use IE either unless you really want to use an old unsupported program.

But it doesn't need updates every other minute.

What's the problem, the last win10 update on mine was 10 April and it didn't need a reboot. The one before was the 4th March and that didn't require a reboot either.

If you really are getting frequent updates there is something wrong.

Easy solution, put it on charge and turn it on the day before and then it will not bother you.

Odd, mine did that without intervention. Maybe not 20 years but probably 10. Was it a different account?

You can't blame him for everything. ;-)

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The former have at last two orders of magnitude more customers than UK banks, so that must help a bit.

Its more convenient than a card reader It does more than a card reader too.

Do you carry your reader around all the time?

If you borrow someone else's then I can modify one to read your card and pin and store it for future use. Quite easy to hack really.

I can't do that with the HSBC one.

I can assure you they are more secure than a web site. They don't consume anything when not in use as they don't run in background. If you don't trust your bank's app then why are you banking with them?

And?

Because the data protection people have teeth.

How do you know the internet provider you are using isn't caching stuff about your internet access or your web browser isn't sending stuff to somewhere else?

Remember we have seen actual exploits where web browsers have been hijacked and even https links not being encrypted even though they appear to be on the browser.

I'm guessing you're thinking of something different.

I wanted to add my Hotmail account to a full fat version of Desktop Outlook, so that I could create a PST file from it, and keep it safe.

But Outlook only goes back 3 months. There's no way (admitted by MS when I logged it) to use any tool to extract more than that from Hotmail. If you want to, you have to load the WebUI and take a picture, month by month.

If I'd actually paid for it, I'd be furious.

I confused our bank somewhat when I asked them to send texts to our landline number.

In essence mobile 'apps' are web sites wherein the scripting has subsumed everything else.