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[Fredxx]

Perhaps, but for some trolls a genuine belief and getting attention go together. One can fuel the other.

[T i m]

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Aww bless. Touched another nerve have I?

See, just because you are a simple Goblin you may get confused with what you think might be considered help and what actually *helps*.

Yeah, I wouldn't imagine you would 'get' why that might happen with a trapped animal (or care why or that it became trapped and was suffering).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

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No, of course they aren't ...

Bwhahahaha ... and by 'asked' you mean 'forced', often after being 'broken'? I asked our dog if it wanted to go out for a walk earlier but he didn't because it was raining. Just think how chuffed he would be if I forced him out AND forced him to carry something on his back, just because he 'could'?

As they could be yours, 'Goblin'. Just because something is able to do something, why would you even start to assume you have the right to force it to do so in the return for anything?

The test would be to leave the doors open to your barn and see if a

*wild* (unbroken) horse wanders in and hitches itself up to the cart on it's own.

Ah right. So exactly like slaves you mean, including a good whipping if they don't immediately do what's 'asked' of them?

Removing part of their natural instincts of 'fight or flight'. Living less of a natural life before we interfered.

Why is it we are advised to let our dogs OFF the lead if we are being attacked by the likes of cows? It's because the dog is more than capable of looking after itself, as would be a horse in many instances. Many predators, even lionesses are 'careful' when it comes to taking something like an adult zebra because of the sort of damage a kick can do. Many lions that get kicked and badly injured can die as a result. *That* is nature, not restricting the movement of an animal in a cage or frame and bolt gunning it in the head or gassing it.

And why do you think it's 'right' to deny a predator it's food when it has no other options?

Yeah, in your indoctrinated world maybe.

Oh, and how's that killfile working out for you Goblin?

Cheers, T i m

[Spike]

I see that you seem to have forgotten already about us putting you right over your 'meat eating causes antibiotic resistance in viruses' blunder.

[Fredxx]

No, just pointing out the nonsense that exudes from your keyboard.

You seem to be confused with what actually helps. Perhaps denial here is the problem.

Like when I 'helped' in respect of a RPi writing to an SD card. It might not have helped you, but could help countless others by putting them right and showing your claim was wrong.

You speak for yourself in not caring. Some of us do, and is the reason why some traps are illegal. If if was up to the likes of you, all traps would be legal.

[Fredxx]

Pointing out a mistake to narcissist never helps them to remove their blinkers.

[T i m]

You really are weird aren't you.

Let me put some real perspective on all that:

I *added* when I didn't need to, the word 'virus' to the 'antibiotic resistance' thing.

Some left brainers thought I intentionally said 'virus' when I didn't mean 'virus' and repeatedly corrected my 'error' because they were 1) trolls and 2) considered it important when it patently wasn't.

So, the first person to correct that might have counted as 'helping', had it been considered an issue and it wasn't to 'most people'.

The fact that the trolls tried to make something out of nothing only indicates just how little real counter argument they / you have.

Cheers, T i m

[Fredxx]

Some left brainers may well have done and those without conscious thought continued to repost their mistake.

The rest of us with a fully functioning brain pointed out your mistake many times before you accepted "eating meat makes viruses antibiotic resistant" was a lie.

It wasn't a help to you as it showed how futile your fanaticism is. But it might assist those reading your post believing it to be true.

The troll here is the one who posted the lie "eating meat makes viruses antibiotic resistant" and indicates how little argument they have in their arsenal of lies.

[Tim Streater]

T r o l l misses the point again. Which is that being a dimwit, when helped he wriggles and tries to escape, being, like the animal, unable to recognise help when it is offered.

[Dave Plowman (News]

I take it you don't understand the concept of work either then?

[Spike]

It's not me that's defending the indefensible, it's *you* that's doing so.

That'll be a first.

So, you have only yourself to blame for your error.

Wriggle, wriggle.

Have you read what you just wrote?

T i m : "Some thought I intentionally said 'virus' when I didn't mean 'virus' "

So how is anyone supposed to know that? This is a text medium and not a telepathic one. That's the most pathetic excuse I've heard in a long time and about as transparent as a toddler's excuses for staying up late.

But then, after blaming 'trolls' for putting right your error, you then went on to say:

T i m : "...some considered it important when it patently wasn't".

Since viruses don't respond to antibiotics and therefore can't become resistant to them, it is *patently* *obvious* that this is the *crucial*

*point*.

The fact that you carried on defending the indefensible, as you are continuing to do so now, suggests a certain level of narcissistic behaviour on your part. You are never wrong, the sun shines out of your arse, you are the Custodian of The One True Way, everybody else is conditioned in the wrong way, if only we could see your bigger picture. Sheesh, you're just a puffed-up, self-important, gullible fool that's managed to alienate a whole group against you and from which you've converted *no-one* at all by your latest anti-meat-eating crusade thinly disguised under the convenient mantles of evangelical veganism and concern for animals.

[T i m]

Do you? Then you would be wrong. ;-)

So, please expand exactly what you mean by 'work' here and what animals you think should be doing it and why?

Cheers, T i m

[The Natural Philosopher]

What is the syndrome called? Right Man syndrome.

Western Enlightenment thought placed a great emphasis on truth telling, but other cultures have often placed more emphasis on winning than being truthful.

Lying to infidels is a moral duty in Islam.

Marxist thought defends the principle of the end justifying the means which is why all leftards lie routinely.

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[Max Demian]

Only fools and dogs work.

[Fredxx]

I'm sure Dave has a good concept of work.

Why not, if they're fed and looked after?

More's the question, how do you justify keeping a dog?

[Dave Plowman (News]

Working animals like horses and dogs often lead a very happy life. But I'd guess that has escaped you.

[T i m]

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Ah, 'often'?

DickHeadxx, is that you?

Ok, yes, you have quoted one of the scenarios where animals working with humans is likely to be the least of the issues (of course you would) but what YOU might need to consider is just how we might normally get an animal to do what *we want* when it might not want to.

Traditionally is would be though fear and pain (circuses and 'breaking horses' to ride etc), and it's still done coercively using play.

Every time whilst training a dog to do something for us we get it's attention using a distraction (toy or food) we are influencing it's behaviour to suit us, making it do something it would rarely do (for us) if left to it's own devices, even if it had the skills / ability to do it biologically / instinctively.

Now, try training say a cat or scorpion to sniff drugs on demand and see how well that works out for you, just using the offer of play or a treat.

With consent (assent / dissent) and assuming you can't speak horse (and many don't seem to be able to read an animals body language or they wouldn't assume they are 'ok' about being killed), an animal will often have to way up the outcome of using either fight or flight to avoid a particular situation. So, if a horse is tied up and you put a saddle on it, you might then assume that it's happy with it when 'no reaction' is simply a sign of submission (> exploitation), not consent.

Capturing a wild animal or breeding one to make work for you (even in reward for food, protection or shelter) is slavery and exploitation.

We seem most willing to do this to creatures that can't so easily fight back (especially once they have been trapped / manhandled like a pig into a gas chamber, not so easy with a leopard or hippo).

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News]

Love the Utopia you obviously inhabit if you think only animals have to be 'trained' to do what 'we' want.

Every kid gets trained in the same way to do what his parents want. Many animals too, by their parents.

[T i m]

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 10:42:10 +0000, Spike [e-mail] wrote: <snip>

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But it's *still* not an explanation re the logical inconsistency.

Cheers, T i m

[Fredxx]

Your logic is faulty.

It is logical to supply your family and loved ones a natural balanced diet.