What type of wallpaper?
The normal vinyl stuff comes off it two stages. First you rip off the
waterproof top surface. You need a scraper and fingers for this. You are
left with the backing paper. This can be removed really easily by soaking a
large section with a car washing sponge. Wait 10 minutes and it peels off
very easily. You can have fun trying to get it off in the largest sheets
Don't bother with a steamer for vinyl. Working against my dad using the
steamer, I had an entire wall fully stripped before he had got a single
strip of paper off. He abandoned it soon after.
If you've got woodchip, let me know what works.
I'll have to. You can't lean on the wall without leaving the outline of your
impression and hearing rattling as little balls of cement and horse hair
spill from under it onto the skirting boards. I have even chased some
cabling into the wall using a Stanley knife!
I'll get the heating, electrics and alarm systems in before replastering,
though. I also don't want to plaster most of upstairs until we've decided if
we're doing the loft conversion. Luckily the worst room is in the rear
"extension" bit, so can be done before.
The walls are terrible, ATM. One room has FIVE different textured wallpaper
patterns, (plus the house's only section of good plaster, where a chemical
DPC had been injected).
Actually, does anyone have any advice about what sort of plaster to use?
It is an Edwardian terrace. I'm particularly interested in what to use on
outside walls. Interior walls can use normal plaster on brick, or
plasterboard to replace the old lath+plaster.
Obviously, on the outside walls there will be issues with penetrating damp,
even if the crumbly lime mortar is repointed. Would sand/cement render with
a thin plaster skim be better than plaster bonding and skim? There's not
enough room to dryline, let alone insulate. It would ruin original features,
unfortunately, although I might be able to get 25mm of Celotex in the 3rd
bedroom, which has a large proportion of external wall and no cornicing.
Luckily the layout of these terraces is inherently energy efficient. I got a
surprisingly high SAP assessment despite no wall or floor insulation and
double glazing only on the front.
About the repointing, is this a DIY job, or is it just too difficult to make
up the lime mortar?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:32:36 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
The general opinion of people involved with old buildings seems to be
to use lime plaster. It is claimed to be more permeable to moisture
than gypsum plaster or cement render, so that if your wall gets damp
the moisture can escape through the plaster, rather than staying
trapped behind it.
It's certainly DIYable, if you've got the patience! Lime mortar is
available in different forms. You can buy quicklime which has to be
slaked. Not a difficult job, but slightly hazardous. The lime
generates heat as it rehydrates, it can splash and burn if you don't
wear protective clothing. It also needs to be left for several weeks
You can buy lime putty, which has been slaked and aged and is ready
for mix with sand and use immediately. You can also buy ready mixed
If you want to know more about lime I can recommend a booklet called
Lime in Buildings by Jane Schofield, ISBN 0 9524341 2 1.
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Usually those that don't live in them.
Yep, it escapes through the plaster, then through the wallpaper (strips it
at the same time), and fills the room with the faint aroma of decaying
vegetation. Just the job!!
On bare, unpainted, plaster I don't doubt it's a workable system, but we
don't live like that any more
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:04:59 -0000, "stuart noble"
As it happens I do live in an old house, with some lime plaster (as
well as gypsum, cement render and plasterboard.)
You are implying that there is some strong reason not to use lime
plaster. The main one that I know of is economics, and that only
applies if you're paying someone to do the job for you; as this is a
DIY group so its a reasonable assumption that you're going to do the
plastering yourself. The main reason that gypsum plasters took over
from lime plasters is speed; it goes off very quickly so a room can be
completed very quickly. This is a benefit to spec builders but needs
experienced plasterers. Lime is more suited to DIYers, it gives you
more time to get it right before it hardens. In terms of the end
result there need be no significant difference between them.
And I've used both.
If the wall is that wet gypsum plaster will suffer just as much.
Actually, lime plaster will survive better on damp walls than
gypsum plaster, but not forever. I presume it also copes better
with floods, as I noticed use of lime-based plaster is one of
the suggestions the government has made for homes liable to
flooding, as part of its recommendations for changes to building
materials to avoid the need for major repairs following flooding.
One thing -- if you use gypsum plaster in an edwardian lime
mortar house, you will probably get hairline cracks in it as it
is a lot less flexible than the rest of the house structure, so
it will crack when the rest of the house routinely moves around.
These cracks will easily be lost by a coat of paint and are not
anything to be concerned about. Lime plaster is more flexible
and usually mixed with fine horse hair, and this will move with
the routine movement of the brickwork without cracking (unless
movement becomes excessive;-).
"Oh Deborah, do you recall?
Your house was very small
With woodchip on the wall
When I came round to call
You didn't notice me at all"
Pulp, Disco 2000
or, as misheard lyrics:
"Your house was very small
With wood shit on the wall"
There is a gadget that scours the surface of wall paper so that it can
be wet through the paint. I have one that is basically a triangular
trolley with 7" sides that fits in the palm of your hand. It has 3
off-set wheels or castors that spin freely and on each of these there is
an axle that hold a pair of wheels rather similar to those serrated
washers. They are canted in toward each other so that each pair points
to the middle of the opposing side of the triangle.
You lean against a wall and wave a bit and the surface is reduced to
rubble. Spray on a drop of water and the woodchip et al falls at your
feet rather in the manner of ladies in my presence whenever I am out on
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and are constantly deafened by the sound of knicker elastic snapping in
your presence, I cannot believe that you have found a simple way to
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