Zoning Changes in California

[Dean Hoffman]

The governor signed a bill making some changes.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I don't think it is a bad thing. They are not taking away single homes and putting in apartments. There just is not enough room for everyone to live on a 2 acre lot.

If there is a huge lot and they want to build more dense hosing, so what? You don't have to move there. Don't like it? Move to Montana or North Dakota.

[rbowman]

Maybe Miles City MT... 5.5 houses per acre? At least they won't have to spend a lot of time mowing the lawn.

[gfretwell]

A lot of Californians are. Texas seems popular too but they better stay out of Houston. There is no zoning at all there.

Fortunately we do have pretty good land use rules here so I am not getting a 4 plex homeless shelter next to me on a 1/3d acre lot. The problem in Florida is VRBO and Air B&B type operations. I haven't seen much here but in the beach it is a real issue. The state wants to make bans illegal. I am not sure how that is going to play with condos and HOAs

I did notice they played the race card in the article but that is bullshit. I lived in DC during the time that South East went from working class white to working class black (then to slum) and it was virtually all SFH or duplexes. My Dad was an Eleanor Roosevelt Democrat who always refused to be scared by black people moving in so he never made a dime on a house. We wouldn't move until crime was a problem. By then it was hard to sell the house to a black person and white people wouldn't even drive by.

Things are a lot different now. If there is segregation, it is economic segregation. We have a few black families here in the neighborhood but they are rich enough to buy in and they are accepted pretty much universally. We have lots of Latinos, most own some kind of business. They get along OK too. There are a few old racist rednecks but they keep it under their hat. The family next to me are Puerto Rican and they are the best neighbors I ever had. They are the all American couple with 3 good kids. I can't ask for anything more of a neighbor. I help them out when I can. He was at Hertz and got hit pretty hard by the bankruptcy but the landlord told me, he never missed a rent payment. That is a stand up guy. Whenever I asked if I could help, he said he was good. I did give him my lawn tractor. His push mower was shot and I knew he couldn't afford a new one.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Having lived in a Philadelphia row house, that is spacious.

[angelica...]

Oddly enough, I don't think younger people (who make up most of the house buyers) are all that interested in mowing a big lawn.

5.5 houses per acre is 7920 square feet per lot, or 80x100 feet (roughly speaking). My mother's lot is half that size. I sure pissed and moaned when I had to mow it as a teenager.

Cindy Hamilton

[invalid unparseable]

Just glancing at this it appears to be the liberal attitude that one size fits all. Zoning rules should be up to the region, here at the county level and city. California has only half the population density of Delaware but ruled here are not so stupid.

[Ed Pawlowski]

What makes it a liberal attitude? Our Republican governor is making state mandates and not allowing local districts to make some decisions. Seems to be a conservative attitude, my way, not yours.

[invalid unparseable]

From your other responses you would not understand.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Oh I understand your bias. You call out the libs for doing the same as the alleged conservatives.

[Oliver George]

What did DeSantis do that pissed your lib ass off?

[Ed Pawlowski]

I'm not a lib. I'm independent and dislike both parties.

DeSantis won't allow school districts to decide on masks by local need or protocols and will withhold funding if they do.

He made mandates or cruse ships and won't allow them to follow CDC recommendations. He has a few lawsuits going against him. Seems he wants to be a dictator.

[invalid unparseable]

You have been duped by the main line media. They turn their ire to anyone that is a threat to the current administration.

[Ed Pawlowski]

He started his nonsense as a mini-Trump and it is starting to cost him. He has done some good things but seems to play to the Trump supporters, right or wrong, to court their votes. He is starting to turn off some of his former supporters.

Facts is facts no matter who reports it and his executive orders are public knowledge.

What does Trump, Putin, and Lukashenko have in common? They are afraid of a free press. He's duped a lot of people with his "fake news" mantra.

[micky]

As you know, nothing made it a liberal attitude. It's just a favorite blame technique, whenever they find something they don't like they blame it on liberals. As you point out, Desantis and a bunch of other repub. governors have a one size fits all policy.

That one makes desantis even stupider than the school thing. With the schools he can claim that parents have the right to let their little chidren receive and spread the virus, and the right to be there doing that since kids have to go to school, and they are generally entitled to got to school

But no one has to take a cruise and he had the same policy there.

[rbowman]

That one is better than another in the vicinity. I sometimes ride my bike through it since it's a lot more relaxing than the shoulder of the main drag. The streets are the absolute minimum width. There are no garages so it's all on street parking, which leave enough room for one car to pass. I'll admit I have long arms but I could stand in the passage between two houses and touch both.

I think they go for 200 - 300 thousand.

[rbowman]

That's a philosophical problem I have, I believe most decisions should be made at the local level. In this case the state government outlawed vaccination requirements. The county, a blue dot in a sea of red, would happily vaccinate every man, woman. child, and slow moving labrador retriever if it could.

At even further granularity the city is the tail that wags the dog. The city government is left, the rest of the county is right. Currently the city is electing a mayor, which will affect me on a practical level, but I can't vote since I'm not city.

The only consistent stand is all government is based on force, real or implied, and is inherently bad.

[gfretwell]

Were you using one of these

By the time you get a house, a driveway and a sidewalk on 8000 sq/ft, there isn't much lawn to mow.

[gfretwell]

California is like 2 different worlds in a lot of aspects. (besides income inequality) Near the coast people are piled on top of each other but farther east there are vast stretches of nothing. It is either desert, mountains or farm land. I drove that road from Carson City to Bakersfield and it was like Nebraska.

[Tekkie©]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:23:57 -0700 (PDT), [e-mail] posted for all of us to digest...

I think Cindy hit it on the head. Younger people like smaller lots. They like the cluster zoning-as it's called around here. To each it's own...