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It is real easy to read the instructions as saying "we know you are unqualified so we can't trust you to properly use a wirenut. Tape the s*it out of it and hope".

Strange...the links work for me.

Let's try again:

OK that worked.

Meaningless It doesn't say "listed" and there are no reference numbers

Still meaningless. No reference numbers (What is listed?)

That says the screw in part is listed perhaps only when screwed into an existing keyless. I let my U/L membership lapse, it is expensive, so I can't look up that particular product.

That says the socket is a listed part. Actually better than I would make out from those instructions.

What they didn't say they evaluated is installing those parts in a box. I suppose the AHJ would have to decide if it was legal. I am OK with it but I have colleagues who might not be. One I can think of in particular (the City of North Port) would require a permit and an inspection.

Taped up wirenuts might get you a 110.3(B) violation ;-)

The NRTLs are supposed to use the manufacturer's instructions to duplicate the intended installation so they can evaluate it. (Hence 110.3(B)) At least that was their story when I was going to the meetings. :-) Some of those folks can get a little detached from the real world.

Instructions don't necessarily mean much. Years ago I saw instructions for a kitchen over-the-stove vent hood that said 75 degree wire insulation was required and then showed how to connect it with NM/Romex all of which at that time was rated 60 degrees.

I really don't think UL reads manufacturer's instructions.

Why does tape give you a more "secure connection"? And wire nuts do a lot more than "cover the wire connections".

With so many things comming into the US from other countries the instructions are often messed up in the translation.

Just about everything now comes with a warning about causing cancer in California.

With all the smoke from the forest fires LIVING in Californis causes cancer - - -

To be accurate, most of that smoke quickly blew eastwards, and the smoke didn't affect the most populous areas.

California has lower cancer rates than much of the rest of the USA.

(filtering on 2019 instead of 2005 shows the reduction over the last

It't notable that many of the states with the lowest incidence rates are left of center or centrist (California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona) with Utah the sole exception.

I know, it's radon.

Before you get carried away with the master title note that it's your state level license. It doesn't cover the entire country. We were trained by several TN and VA master level electricians over the years.

We asked the kingsport city electrical inspector about this discussion yesterday. He couldn't fail us for using tape on wirenuts. We confirmed this with the state electrical inspector on the same day. Perhaps somethings different in Florida? And as you have shown at least one manufacturer does invite you to use tape on the wirenuts. As we wrote awhile back in this thread.

We still invite others who think code is being violated by taping wirenuts to provide the specific code. The city of kingsport in TN is on 2017 code.

?Maybe I missed it...what group are you a member of that make youpart of a "we"?Just curious.> So much more that some >

manufacturers specifically list taping the wirenuts as the next >

step after applying them. But hey they are just the people who >

make the device. What the f*ck do they really know about it. >

Lol.

"We" asked...

"We" confirmed...

"We" still invite...

My question seems to have gone unanswered...

What group are you a member of that makes you part of a "we"? Who is this "we" that you keep mentioning?

HHI

We assumed (we really need to stop doing that - especially here) that our chosen posting handle was clear enough. Evidently that isn't the case. Several of us post with the same account and hardware hence the "we" and our chosen posting handle or nym.

I see. So I did a search on LegionX. Which one of these guys are you?

It's in the instructions included with the device. An example is provided here: Harbor breeze fan wirenuts

We are several electricians who read the installation instructions provided with the device the client has often purchased on their own.

Instructions like these for example: Harbor breeze fan wirenuts

You are wrong.

Harbor breeze fan wirenuts

Harbor breeze fan wirenuts

Another poster provided you a light fixture example. We have provided a fan.

Harbor breeze fan wirenuts

We would question your field experience since you've stated that you've never encountered such instructions.

It seems that we aren't alone in thinking you could possibly fail on a 110.3(b) if you do not tape the wirenuts when the device manufacturer installation instructions wrote for you to do so. Otherwise we aren't sure how you can violate on that because someone provided additional insulation and protection to the connection by using tape after the wirenuts were installed?

Your interpretation of code 110.3(b) appears to be in error. It would be a violation of that code not to install device according to device manufacturer (not wirenut manufacturer) instructions.

In Europe wire nuts are not a legal connection method. Putting tape on them, especially in the instructions, tends to reinforce the idea they are an inferior method.

I don't really see what good tape does - if the wire nut is installed correctly there is no need, and if the connection is bad I don''t see how the tape adds anything. The problem is it isn't easy for an amateur to know if he got a clean connection or not.

I have decades of experience as a homeowner installing a variety of fixtures and appliances, eg lights, fans, dishwashers, ovens, in multiple homes. I never encountered instructions to tape wire nuts, clearly instructions saying to tape are a small percentage and it's unnecessary. BTW, posting a link to the install instructions would have been far more meaningful than posting a picture of the cover.