I am currently using arc welders gloves as the flame welder's gloves were
way too thick to operate gas cutting equipment.
The only problem with these mig welding gloves is they don't handle
repeated washings well. http://yfrog.com/jc45906740jx
I'm trying to find which is the best skin for washing:
- deerskin gloves?
- kangaroo skin gloves?
- cowhide gloves?
- pigskin gloves?
- goatskin gloves?
Here is a comparison of the various skins, but not with respect to phenols:
I really like the idea of a flame thrower ... :) But in the dry chaparral,
not only would the smoke itself be dangerous (urushiol, being a
hydrocarbon, can burn but being an oil, it can also form droplets in the
air which can be inhaled), but the fire itself would need to be contained.
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC), Elmo wrote:
a) Cowhide dries stiff when it gets wet, becoming hard and losing its
b) Goatskin leather has the highest natural lanolin content, which makes a
very soft and flexible glove that retains its pliability after getting wet.
c) Deerskin gloves do not stiffen after getting wet repeatedly and form to
the hand over time.
d) High lanolin content keeps pigskin leather soft which does not dry out
and crack after repeatedly getting wet.
So, it looks like, for repeated washings, you want:
In that order.
Some folks with Indian blood are immune, you can get them to remove it
for you. Or, apply Roundup, repeat every 2-3 weeks if needed. If I
needed to actually handle it myself I'd use rubber surgery gloves.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:34:07 -0400, Phisherman wrote:
Everyone keeps suggesting Roundup. Maybe I'm missing something basic here.
Remember, we're talking a JUNGLE of intertwined vines. How am I supposed to
get Roundup a hundred yards from where I can't access, let alone five feet
from the thicket I'm trying to penetrate?
What am I missing that more than one person says Roundup will do the job?
We're talking hedgerow-thick impenetrable chaparral so thick a human can't
get more than a couple of feet into it before being stopped by the vines,
many of which are an inch to two inches thick along with the thinner stuff
as shown in the pictures previously posted.
Anyone suggesting Roundup either knows something I can't possibly fathom (I
certainly hope so), or, they haven't seen the pictures (which is
Maybe they know of a dissemination method that I haven't thought of, being
that there's no way to disburse Roundup a hundred yards from what you can
actually acess, let alone five to twenty feet from where you're standing.
Or is there???? How can Roundup possibly be disseminated thru these
impenetrable thickets (see the pictures)???????????????
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:47:22 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
I was thinking helicopter since the canyon sides may be too steep to get a
bulldozer in there ... :)
Seriously, I do have a pressure washer, but, wouldn't it use a LOT of
Roundup since it feeds from a garden hose? The garden hose is problematic
since there isn't a faucet within 500 yeards of the thicket I'm trying to
hack my way through. Plus, I'm not trying to clear a square area; I'm
cutting a path along the bank of a small stream where the stream itself is
choked with poison ivy so the first pass is the stream, the second pass is
Lately I've been using a chain saw as my "light saber", standing in the
center of the stream channel, holding the chain saw high above my head and
slashing down to allow myself forward movement. I only need to cut a
man-sized tunnel so I don't have to get all the vines that are above 7 feet
I also use the chain saw to slash the ground as there's about a foot of
intertwined dead poison oak vines on the floor of the chaparral canyon on
the sides of the bank - much of which scrapes against my ankles causing
rashes when I am not careful enough.
Likewise, fire seems problematic because I wouldn't know how to keep it in
a straight line and it's dry chaparral besides ... which, if it went up in
flames, could be very dangerous.
Back to the roundup ... I guess I could slash my way through the stream
channel ... and THEN I could apply roundup to the sides of the bank. But
I'd still have to wait a year or so for the urushiol to "weather" out of
the vines (some say it never weathers out, others say it does). And, after
that year has passed, then I can clear off the dead vines.
But, that doesn't seem to be any less work than slashing my way through the
vines with all the cutting tools at my disposal. Or maybe I'm missing a key
Dumb question- why do you need access to this creek bed? Simple
contrariness, and a desire to walk wherever you please on your property?
Your best dog keeps getting stuck down there?
Mother nature has clearly labeled that a no-human zone. I'd be inclined
to post a few signs and say the hell with it. A whole lotta work to kill
it and remove it, and keep it from coming back.
Okay, that puts it in same class as mountain climbing- 'because it is
there'. Well, unless you kill yourself with the hazmat side effects, I
guess it is cheaper than a gym membership. :^/
Not a flame, mind you. I do understand. No SWMBO with a honey-do list,
on the premises?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:45:33 -0400, aemeijers wrote:
I do consider it healthy exercise.
Just climbing out of the ravine gets me huffing and puffing.
Plus it's a few thousand feet up already (I don't know when the air gets
thinner noticably though so the height may not matter).
I come very late to this discussion, but have been reading your posts
for years and know you are very determined and usually find a
In this case, I have worked, lived, played, even had ...hmm, a few
"intimate experiences" <unfortunately> in and around poison oak.
So, that's some 42 years, if you count from about 8 years old.
The messages saying that the oil disappear after about a year or so,
are true in MY experience. I can't guarantee it for you and your
particular bushes. Maybe you have cream of the crop, top quality
hybrid poison oak and the oils last for centuries.
But for my Oregon poison oak on MY ranch, it lasts a year or so.
Unlucky enough to "get a rash." Zanfel is a wonder drug. Technu makes
a competing product that works just as well and is usually a little
cheaper. But neither are cheap. A small tube of the stuff is $25 or
more, but compared to poison oak misery, it's worth it. Just make
sure if you buy the Technu brand you are NOT buying just their
What you want is Technu EXTREME. You can google both Zanfel and
Technu to read about them.
A trip to the doctor also works, but is even more expensive and then
you get ultra high doses of steroids, which I prefer to avoid.
Finally, you'd be amazed at what a GOOD heavy equipment operator can
do for you, or the suggestions they can make. It wouldn't hurt to call
one to take a look. Pricewise, and misery-wise, you could come out way
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:43:04 -0700 (PDT), tim birr wrote:
Thanks for the well worded advice. Maximum mysery, for me, seems to occur
three to five days after a heavy exposure to the three-leaved devil. I have
used the prophylactic ivyblock but not the Technu yet (didn't know about
"extreme" ... will check that out). My strategy is to prevent the resinous
catechols from touching my skin, hence the persistent need for
gauntlet-style nimble gloves.
On the topic of the method of clearing, I do think airlifting some heavy
equipment out there might work ... save for the cliff (as yet unknown
whether it's climbable) ... but, truth be told, I actually enjoy the
challenge and the exercise of hand clearing the land for the path along the
Like you, the neighbors tell me to just hire some of the "day workers"
(they use a slightly different term) who frequent the hardware stores
around here so thickly that you'd think you're the object of adolation, at
least while driving up the driveway to the Home Depot.
I'm told "they are immune" or "don't know better", and for the $10/hour
(cash only for some strange reason) it costs per man, a crew of five would
likely clear the path in a day or three.
However, I do my own work, and enjoy it. The price is always to be paid,
and, in this case, the cost is the learning that must be done to deal with
thine enemy - that resinous sap of the redoubtable Toxicodendron
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