Too subtle for my own good. Yeah, we signed out but we stayed around
because the hospital said we couldn't leave until charting, etc., was
caught up but we couldn't stay on the clock. The "Bonus" was (up to) 3
years worth of overtime plus interest when someone got pissed off about
something and turned them over to the Department of Labor. The DoL
disabused them of the thought that this was legal in a way only the
Government can (g).
BTW: I have since left the place, but they had started to do that at
least three other times since then until some of veterans reminded them
of what happened the last time.
On Wed 20 Aug 2008 05:44:17p, Kurt Ullman told us...
I once worked for a family-run company where I usually worked 11-12 hour
days. They had us sign blank time cards, which i learned later they were
filling out for 8 hours. I was once given a raise, but it was taken back
after two weeks "because they had hired an additional person (the owner's
sister) to help in the office". When that happened, I went home for lunch
and never went back. I immediatelyr reported them to the wage and hour
commission. After they investigated, I and all the other employees
received back pay for all the overtime we had worked for "free".
locally wall mart isnt welcome:( ross twp works hard to keep it out.
one ime buying a site and building a park just so wallmart couldnt
killbuck a nearby location had a terrible landslide during
construction. wallmart decided the site isnt suitable to build
anything, and sued the developers.
millions of tons of rock slid onto a major highway and rail line
blocking it for over a month. site still isnt stable. it should of
never been approved to stat with.
I shop at wallmart occasionally but they are far away, with the price
of gas its not worth it....
hope they build one close by.
but wouldnt buy their so called fresh meat. too much preseratives
So do the signs reach out and prevent this or are they there for show?
For good reason, it costs them almost nothing. Ask any vendor how
returns are handled. Someone can purchase an item and literally destroy
it and haul it back to the store. Even though there were no defects
Walmart simply dings the vendor and makes them eat the cost.
Still, there will always be the customer that is
What part of "Management is adamant about it" don't you understand?
I had clocked-out once and, while on my way out of the store,
encountered my Assistant Manager. *I* stopped and spoke with him about
my work schedule. We chatted for about five minutes. Prior to going on
my way, he asked if I was "on the clock". When I told him I had
clocked-out, he advised that I should go to personnel and have my time
CORRECTED as I would have otherwise worked off the clock. That's good
enough to convince me that they are serious about the issue.
And it sure makes for good customer relations.
Welcome to the (capitalist) party, pal.
No one is forcing a vendor to do business with anyone, Walmart included.
As for your contention that the customer can "literally destroy" the
product and get an easy return is simply untrue.
There are many returned products that have been simply opened and are
returned for various reasons. Given today's theft-resistant packaging,
it is nearly impossible to open a package without rendering it unsalable
should it be returned. Such returns (among others) are returned to the
vendor for repackaging. Defective merchandise is likewise returned - as
it is by ANY retailer.
A customer with a purchase older than 30 days, that has proven
defective, is directed to the manufacturer (vendor?) for warranty
adjustment. Walmart is not involved in these cases.
Merchandise that is obviously used or "virtually destroyed" is not
accepted as a return, even for in-store credit.
All of it. I do understand how big corporations typically work. When
they get caught doing something rotten they make a big point to put up
posters and hold coffee clatch meetings while quietly telling managers
just don't get caught next time.
So the end justifies the means. So you are saying it is a good thing
that they screw their suppliers?
Again the end always justifies the means? You are just trotting out the
same nonsense everyone uses to defend Walmart. If you don't agree that
morality should be set aside then somehow you are anti-capitalist and a
Hussein Obama supporter.
Sorry no. Lots of evidence how Walmart has a free tool rental service.
WM doesn't hold a gun to anyone's head. The contract is clear and
many people have walked away content. It is hard to screw someone who
entered into an agreement voluntarily (unless one is a hooker, then it
is a requirement).
There is no ends and no means. Every dealing with WM is a dealing
voluntarily entered into by both sides. Just because the results offend
someone's sense of equity after the fact (and largely not those involved
in the deal..which I find very enlightening) is hardly WM's fault.
It isn't like WM is able to sneak up on people any more and
surprise them. WM has been well known for years for how it works with
vendors. Hardly the only one that does it, either.
I never considered that but I don't doubt it. Having your [widget]
appear on a Walmart shelf virtually guarantees vast exposure. Having
Walmart FEATURE the thing would likely "bury" a small vendor in orders.
I suspected as much. You would do well to consult even the lowliest
dictionary for elucidation.
IIRC, Walmart was fined BIG TIME for wage and hour violations related to
the practice many years ago. As I understand it, I am liable to be
fired if caught working off the clock. Given I PREFER to be paid for my
time AND wish to keep my job, I won't be testing their policy.
I believe you THINK you understand.
Ahhhhh. Are you cynical about everything or just when it comes to mean
and evil BIG business?
In this case, yes.
No, YOU are saying that. I adamantly (oops, there's that word again)
deny that they "screw" their suppliers. No one is FORCED to do business
Not always. But, in this case, yes. Complying with a contract or the
terms of an agreement can be a bitch but, after all, it IS a contract or
agreement - which requires - as the word implies - an AGREEMENT.
One person's nonsense is another's common sense - and obvious fact. As
for defending Walmart, forget it: They don't need it in ANY case and
certainly not from me. Your baseless prejudice against an American
success story is obvious and quite revealing.
"Somehow" at least. You'll need to explain that one to me - a
dyed-in-the-wool capitalist and anything BUT a Obama supporter.
Unless you are implicating yourself in this baseless charge, can provide
empirical evidence of the practice or, as am I, you are an "insider", I
don't believe you. There. That was easy. :)
...and thank-you for shopping at Walmart! <smirk>
Interesting that nobody ever thinks that maybe the greed of the
SUPPLIERS has something to do here. They see the great big numbers WM
could order and start salivating to the point where the figures become
unreadable but they sign anyway.
That's good to hear. I've wondered about that. Of course even then,
it's a lot of work for the store, paying the shipper, the vendor, and
I hate to do that if I could have figured out somehow that I didn't
want it without opening it up.
Usually I use a band saw to open up one side of a welded plastic
bubble pack, so it looks pretty good if I have to return it. Would
that be resold as I returned it, or shipped back for repackaging?
When there is cardboard that is stapled, I open the staples and then
if I have to return, I reuse the original staples, putting them
through the second piece of cardboard one leg at a time, and bending
the legs down by hand. Sometimes I use my own stapler.
BTW, I make a point to buy already opened packages, to encourage
vendors to accept already opened packages for return. (because I know
if they are hanging from the hook but never sold, it will leave a
negative taste in the mouth of the manager.) Now this can have
problems. I bought an already-opened, then taped shut, car adapter
for a laptop compputer and when I got it home, it was missing one of
the tips that was supposed to be included. I wanted to return it for
other reasons, and was afraid the clerk would attribute its absence to
me. But she didn't look closely and she took it and gave me cash in
return. This was the only time I thought I might get burned by
buying open stuff, but I didn't. (I like to pay cash so I get a cash
refund, instead of wondering if the credit will actually reach my
credit card account.)
I also make a point to buy dented cans, even if the price isn't
reduced, because why should they take a loss because someone, employee
or customer, dropped a can? (Not bulging out cans, which probably
contain poison, and I've never seen for sale.)
My work station is directly across from the clock/alarm display. It is
amazing to watch the occasional customer that methodically opens the
carton of literally EVERY model (there are about 4 or 5). Sometimes
they select one and take it away, often not. Sometimes they are able to
get it all back into its box properly, often not. Given this particular
example, simply as an ordinary consumer, I wonder what they discover
about the product having opened it that was not apparent from the outer
You are probably among rare company. I regularly use an X-Acto<t> knife
for MY convenience but never go to your extent.
Well, that depends: If the buyer was YOU, it MIGHT be resold. Good
chances are it wouldn't sell. Most customers will reach behind an
apparently previously opened package to take a "new" one. The
previously opened package will languish on the shelf or peg hook while
the "repaired" package stays behind. The constant handling of the
repaired package worsens its appearance and, after a while, it is
usually returned to the vendor. Most times, when charged with the
disposition of such an opened package, I'll simply "claim it out" and
immediately send it back, dispensing with the usually fruitless "game"
of placing it back on the shelf or peg hook for a while.
I occasionally do the same if I can do so with confidence that the
product is as good as new. However, I seriously doubt that we are doing
any favor to the retailer. There is a well-honed process for returning
and repackaging such item. Your contribution would keep but a single
item out of a very large "stream".
That is an EXCELLENT reason to NOT do what you do.
You were fortunate that the returned package was not closely inspected
for "completeness" by TWO, successive clerks.
If an opened package that contains several parts or unique parts
(electronics comes to mind) of which the returns clerk is unfamiliar,
s/he is supposed to summon a clerk from the department that sells the
item for their inspection of the it and approval of the return - that
the package has all its parts. Occasionally, as you have discovered,
this is not always done.
Yours is an admirable practice but, I suspect, not practiced by many.
Obviously, if the product is on display, the retailer hopes it will
sell. They are not surprised, however, when it often doesn't.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:37:11 -0500, Jim Redelfs
Sometimes the most important features are hidden (particularly on
equipment like DVD recorders where connectors and cables matter).
Packaging often seems designed to hide the important things.
BTW, the last item I found like that was one of these ATSC tuners
(that the $40 coupons are good for). I wasn't going to buy one without
knowing if it had a baseband output (so as to not have to degrade the
signal by passing it through RF). The outside of the package said
NOTHING about that, the inside was hidden, and the display unit was
tied down so I couldn't see the side with the connectors. One sale
When I worked in the Electronics department, I was occasionally asked by
a customer if they could open the carton. I usually assisted by
opening, then re-closing, the item they were interested in.
Some stuff, like cordless phones, are contained in such tight
(efficient? green?) packaging that it is often difficult to properly
re-contain the product once it is opened. Other merchandise is
virtually "locked" inside a vacuum-formed and seam-welded package.
Opening this type of container requires virtually destroying the
package, usually rendering it unsalable.
In these cases, particularly if I am familiar with the item, before
agreeing to open the item, I will do my best to inform the customer of
the package contents and/or answer their questions that caused them to
ask to see inside.
"No sir, that printer doesn't come with a USB cable."
"I can tell you from experience that that particular model of cordless
phone system does NOT lay flat against the wall when wall mounted."
"Yes, Ma'am, that digital camera comes with everything you need to shoot
8-12 photos. But, you'll want to purchase a memory card."
More and more packaging contains a [What's In the Box?] label or
description, answering most questions, cutting down on the need to
inspect the inside of a pre-packaged item.
I understand that, but if, for example, I can't listen to the volume of
an alarm that an alarm clock makes, I don't want to buy it, except
possibly if I get a guarantee that I can return it if it's not loud
enough, but I would prefer to know how loud the alarm is before
purchase. A lot of "Loudest alarm" alarm clocks have unbelievably quiet
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