They're selling like hot cakes. Do you see any returned for a
warranty refund, for repair/replacement or tossed into the dump?
WalMart will be the first to toss that product out of the door if it
has to handle warranty returns and refunds.
I don't know if they are selling like hot cakes, do you have Wal-Mart's
statistics. I do know they are made for a low price, you cannot build long
lasting quality in a real cheap product. They may be selling. Possibly
Wal-Mart doesn't handle the warranty. Maybe they will drop them if there are
problems that show up, however most retailers place that responsibility back
to the manufacturers. I don't check the dumps - do you?
Would you trust $1000.00 worth of meat to a cheap freezer, if it fails the
meat goes bad. Many people don't think of this when they buy, and just buy
on price point. Wal-Mart shoppers may not even be aware that a good freezer
will last 20 - 25 years.
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:29:15 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Store helf space is very precious. Any product that doesn't meet
sales returns goals for whatever reason (eg no demand) do not get
reorders. The remnants go to the clearance bin and the shelves are
cleared for a new product. That's mass merchandizing. That's one
reason when I see something I like I buy it first, keep the receipt
and if it turns out to be not that good an idea I return it for a
refund. Of course I keep the packaging in excellent shape and do not
abuse the privilege, like trashing the item and claim its faulty. I
don't know about bigger ticket items like appliances since everything
I have is thirty years or more and working as good as the day I bought
them. I like to do repairs myself but since I maintain them well they
rarely break down.
I agree with most of what the OPs have said.
I did a ~two-year, part-time "stint" at a local Wal-Mart Supercenter a few
years ago. I loved the job and would/will work there again in a heartbeat.
While there, I worked in the Electronics department and became familiar with
most of the goings-on in the "back room". Every week or so there was one or
two pallets loaded and shrink-wrapped for return to the distribution center.
The contents were returned items, virtually all defective. Given the volume
of sales done by this particular store, I believe that that was a rather LOW
rate of return in general. Most of the returns were consumer electronics and
other, so-called "durable" goods.
Given that Wal-Mart is the "thousand pound gorilla" in the retail world (the
world's largest retailer), they have a LOT of clout with their suppliers.
Whether you like their business practices or not, they would not - and DO not
- put up with an item that gets returned too frequently.
One would be hard-pressed to find a small-size "major" appliance such as a
freezer that is NOT made by ChiComs. Given that, I suggest that you purchase
the freezer, save all the packaging and paperwork, and use it. If it
craps-out in the first 30-days, take it back to WM. After that, up to its
(presumed) one-year warranty, you would have to deal with the manufacturer and
their potentially numerous and convoluted requirements to get satisfaction. A
more <ahem> DOMESTIC-branded freezer might offer a "local" service outlet
making a warranty return/repair a bit easier. Go for it.
Just remember that a >34-year unionist is writing...
I enjoyed working with the younger folks in Electronics. I taught them
customer service basics (thank-you, may I help you, etc) and they taught me
about PS2, Nintendo, etc.
Almost everyone I met while on duty and in the break room seemed content being
there. I never encountered anyone with a truly BAD attitude. After all the
years working for The Phone Company, my Wal-Mart experience was a refreshing
The company went BEYOND flexible when it came to scheduling my work times to
accommodate my full-time work schedule and other requests for time off. The
pay was good with monetary incentives to work particular hours and days. The
employee discount was an added bonus. Profit sharing and company match of
stock purchases are just a couple of benefits I enjoyed while there.
I have been "gone" for several years now. When I shop at the place
(regularly) I still see more than a few familiar faces. One in particular, a
Greeter, is always glad to see me and always friendly to me and virtually
everyone else that walks through the door.
That has always frustrated me. Wal-Mart is the world's biggest capitalist
success story and yet it gets drubbed by many. You'll notice, however, that
those doing the drubbing are always from the political LEFT. Ironically,
those are the same folks that freely tout their compassion for the
down-trodden and less-fortunate among us, easily the most deserving recipients
of the lower prices found at Wal-Mart and also as a potential employer.
Wal-Mart may have its "warts" but what mega-corporation doesn't? Without the
"help" of a unionized workforce, they treat their employees well. Sam Walton
would be proud.
Have you typed Walmart and Evil into a search engine? There seem to be
some legitimate gripes. Not just the way they treat the workers, a
point of view that seems to have many supporters among former Walmart
employees. There is the way that it drains the cash out of a
community, killing off local stores. Or the way that it gets such low
prices, by having low prices paid abroad for the products.
Sure, you can get stuff cheap. It isn't clear that it is a net plus
however. I try to avoid the big box stores and shop at local stores,
for instance my local hardware store over Home Despot. It's tough
though; I really do like Costco, and I hear that they actually treat
their workers very well. I've noticed that they are closed on certain
holidays, so their employees can be with their families. Plus they
close at 6pm on the weekend, apparently for the same reason. I think
that's called family values.
When I posted a bit ago about them, I forgot one aspect until you reminded
me. They have changed.
My Mother is now 82. She got a job with them when se was 55 and they are
one of the few who will hire older people. Nor was she paid less as
'older'. The benefits were pretty decent including the stock as part of the
job which employees got at reduced prices. If i am not mistaken, she worked
there til she was 72? Health made her leave (she was down to part time in
the fabrics area by then and teaching new folks how to cover her job).
Not entirely. I wen to them automatically 7 years ago to web order stuff
when in Sasebo Japan and FPO AP address. I went to them because of my Mom's
happy experince. I was disabused FAST on their services to the military.
True, but if they serviced FPO AP customers (they say they do, but try to
enter an address with that and forign phone number) you wil find JCPenny a
far better deal. That their same shirt costs 2$ more is irrelevant when the
shipping at JCpenny isnt 'international cost' and you do not have to call a
non-tollfree number just to make an order.
Math time <grin>. 2$minimum LD fee, 4$ extra postal, for a 6$ shirt. Go to
JCPenny, order online, pay 6$ less to order but buy same shirt for 8$. 4$
savings on same shirt.
The freezers may well have been built in the U.S. Haier is one of the more
agressive and progressive Chinese producers and have a manufacturing
facility in South Carolina to produce goods for the U.S. market.
Info at http://www.haieramerica.com/en/aboutus /
According to a story in Forbes, Haier built their plant here to take
advantage of the skilled but low cost American labor. I suspect that this
same facility may produce OEM goods for other brands, such as Magic Chef --
This past summer I needed an AC unit and the only one I could find to fid
the window was a Haier. I had doubts, but it runs quiet and did as good, if
not better job than the previous unit. Once season does not prove
reliability, but it seems well made, especially for the price. I'd take a
chance on the freezer.
On Nov 8, 9:33 am, email@example.com wrote:
I bought a 5.3 ft^3 Holiday chest unit at Lowes a couple of years
ago. ~$150 on sale. So far, so good.
I spoke to a tech who said that these smaller units run most
efficiently when filled to about 3/4 capacity. Since I rarely need 5.3
ft^3 of extra freezer storage, I built a plexiglass shelf that is
supported by the condenser housing and a couple of gallon jugs of
water (ice). This raises the bottom of the freezer up to a manageable
height for those of a shorter stature and keeps the unit at ~ 3/4
capacity when "fully stocked". Yes, I left room around it, and drilled
some holes in it, for air circulation.
Tip: If the Haier unit comes with a basket, make sure the freezer lid
closes all the way with the basket in place. I can't use a basket
with my Holiday since the plastic one that came with it, as well as
the wire one they sent as a replacement when I complained, holds the
lid open just enough that you can see light from an internal
flashlight around the seal.
Now I have 2 baskets that I use for storing small items in the
Here's another interesting story.
Nov 8th 2007
From The Economist print edition
Haier, China's biggest maker of white goods, provides one example. As
Donald Sull of London Business School tells it, Haier's repairmen
found that rural customers used their washing machines to clean
vegetables, as well as clothes. Its response was to widen the
drainpipes that might clog with peels. India's pharmaceutical firms do
not invent many drugs, but they do create new ways to deliver them:
patches rather than injections, or pills taken once a day rather than
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