WD-40 & Silicone Spray. When is one better over the other?

[Richard J Kinch]

OK, your analysis is, Stoddard solvent is not an aliphatic petroleum distillate. Let's leave it at that.

[Doug Miller]

It's not.

You might want to Google on "Stoddard solvent" to find out what it really is, since you appear to be totally ignorant of its composition. It *contains* aliphatic petroleum distillates, but its composition is more than half NON-aliphatic.

Now stop, before you make yourself look even sillier than you already have.

[Richard J Kinch]

My total ignorance cannot possibly win against such diligent Googling. I eagerly await your rewrite of organic chemistry.

[Father Haskell]

Use a petrol-based machine oil, like bike lube. Don't use 3-in-1, since it's a vegetable-based oil and oxidizes into varnish.

White lithium grease is better than oil.

[Charlie Morgan]

Forget it Doug. Kinch is a well known usenet kook. He'll also tell you that WD40 is perfectly safe to drink, even though it states on the label "Harmful or fatal if swallowed".

His rational for that? If you don't breathe for several hours after drinking it, it won't hurt you.

CWM

[Charlie Morgan]

??? You're kidding, right?

CWM

[Doug Miller]

*I* didn't need to use Google to know that Stoddard solvent isn't an "aliphatic petroleum distillate". I suggested Google because I figured it was the easiest way for *you* to learn what it is, as it appears rather unlikely, on the basis of this and earlier posts, that your household includes any chemistry textbooks.

In other words... you really *don't* know what it is, and refuse to learn. :-)

Let's summarize here, shall we?

You claimed that Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant is basically nothing more than WD-40 with a few drops of silicone added.

Wrong, as I demonstrated by posting the composition of each.

You also claimed that it's basically nothing more than paint thinner with a little bit of silicone.

Wrong again, as I demonstrated by posting the composition of a common brand of paint thinner.

Your basis for those claims is the fact that the principal ingredient in all three is petroleum distillate; you seem to be under the impression that this is a single compound, rather than a generic term that encompasses thousands (if not millions) of widely different compounds that often have nothing more in common than their origin in petroleum.

Then you suggest that I'm trying to rewrite organic chemistry!!

I'd also like to remind the readers, if there are any left at this point, that Richard has in the past claimed that gasoline is safe to drink, and carbon monoxide is safe to breathe -- but common household borax is a deadly poison.

[Richard J Kinch]

What a sad and pathetic attitude you have.

[Doug Miller]

That was kind of the point, you know -- that having different ingredients means they're NOT THE SAME. I'm not sure why that's difficult for you.

As for "differences in ... nomenclature", do you seriously contend that Stoddard solvent and the aliphatic solvent naphtha which is the principal constituent of Gunk Silicone Spray Lube are merely the same thing under different names?

If so ... I'd love to see the explanation of *that*.

If not ... please clarify what you meant.

What a sad and pathetic "understanding" of chemistry *you* have. And you

*have* made those claims.

As for my "attitude", I find it entertaining to puncture pretentious gasbags and watch them sputter. Thank you for being a continuing source of amusement, not only to myself but to others as well.

[Father Haskell]

Not according to the several bike repair manuals I've read. Oils come in two flavors, drying and non-drying. Drying types, made from plants, are what varnishes are made from, with the addition of resins to add body.

The current best lubricating oils are made from Pennsylvania crude. The previous best was spermacetti, from whales, which you rightfully can't get anymore.

[Richard J Kinch]

That explains a lot. You take pride and pleasure in the humiliation of others. Gasbags you deem fair game, unworthy of civility. You are profoundly lonely, such a skunky personality being repulsive, except to other skunks.

[Doug Miller]

That's not what I said.

And I notice that you failed to address *any* of the substantive points I raised. I wonder why that is...

I've demonstrated that you were completely wrong on every count. And now all you can do is complain about my tone.

So be it.

*Pretentious* gasbags. And I haven't been uncivil to you. Sarcastic, perhaps, but not uncivil.

Anyone else hear the sound of a punctured gasbag sputtering?

[Doug Miller]

Wow. So many errors in just two paragraphs.

First off, *no* oil "oxidizes into varnish". Varnish, as you said, contains resin. The oxidation process doesn't magically cause resin to appear if it wasn't there before.

Second, varnish isn't just oil plus resin: it needs a solvent or vehicle as well.

Third, you imply that all vegetable oils are drying oils, when in fact many, if not most, vegetable oils are non-drying.

Finally, the claim that 3-in-1 oil is "vegetable-based" is simply absurd, and is, I suspect, what triggered the "??? You're kidding, right?" remark. Just look at the label on a can of it: "Contains petroleum distillates." Or read the MSDS here:

[Sherlock Holmes]

Your humiliation is a self-inflicted wound.

[Doug Miller]

That does not change the fact that, despite your silly claims to the contrary, the stuff *is* significantly different from WD-40.

[Doug Miller]

Actually, it isn't. The nomenclatures are different because they're describing -- gasp -- different substances.

[Doug Miller]

Oh, I get it -- any example that proves you wrong is "pointless".

Face it, Kinch: you're wrong (again).

[Al Bundy]

Doug Miller wrote in news:MPG.1f940c4c9f76b96a9896a4@127.0.0.1:

You ain't the Doug Miller from Nebraska that worked in VT by chance?

[Father Haskell]

"Varnish," meaning a dried coating of gunk that jams up fine, precision

machinery, like Sturmey-Archer 5-speed hubs. Not "varnish" enough that I'd use it to refinish a piano.

Linseed, tung, etc.

Not according to the bike manuals.

If so, I'll gladly reconsider.

[Doug Miller]

Nope. I'm in Indianapolis. Been here for a looooong time.