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Maybe things changed, but had three of them in two houses over many years and all were excellent.

I think they had a design change in the last few years. My mother's Kitchenaid (purchased in 2022 or 2023) didn't have that misfeature. Mine (purchased in 2024) did.

Yes, certainly. It just was a bit dark in there. I think I had to use a torch to look at the thing.

We generally take 4-5 days to fill our dishwasher and only run it when we have a full load. We don't pre-rinse, only scrape visible stuff off the plates before loading them. Everything comes out clean after one "automatic" cycle, even the items that were sitting in the dishwasher for days and the stuff that needs to be washed away has dried on. And, we have what I consider an economy model dishwasher. So many causes of poor cleaning - slime around the filter and drain areas, dirty filters, water not hot enough, improper loading, clogged ports on the rotating washer arms, insufficient or cheap detergent, choosing too short a cycle, etc. I'm not in the appliance business but have been using dishwashers for more than 50 years and have personally experienced all those issues and resolved them myself by trial and error.

I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent ratings.

She hasn't tried that - says it's "too much trouble to train" a new model

Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA. They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028 when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends

Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post. However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American product.

Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN. It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)

I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a patriot.

You need to look at the post I was responding to for the "patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier being a Canadian when travelling!! I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia, Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico and every province of Canada.

I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case, I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or wherever. Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -

ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir. A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts" being virtually the same -

You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool - and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just getting "prestige"?

I believe that all you're getting is prestige. The fancy name myth of assured quality has penetrated many product categories. The most expensive high prestige mechanical wrist watch is far less accurate and less reliable than a quartz movement in a Casio or Timex. Some name brand fashion clothing is manufactured in sweat shops in 3rd world countries in southeast Asia and sewed by machine and then the fancy brand label is added.

What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made in a different country thousands of miles away.

All this talk of dishwasher jinxed me. Mine died. Full load, wanted to wash it before leaving for a while. DEAD

Before you give up, make sure to check the fuse or circuit breaker. If a circuit breaker, cycle it off and on once. If the dishwasher plugs in rather than being hard wired, unplug it and try plugging something else in to make sure that the outlet is live. Open, close and (lock if you model uses a door lock) the door to try to reengage the micro-switch that senses whether the door is open or closed. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Good luck!

Did all of that twice. Pretty sure it is the control board. Neighbor had theirs die about a month ago.

It has done a couple of things, like turning on the control panel when not asked for, not turning on the green "finished" light a couple of times.

It will be 7 years old next month.

I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada. Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.

I was hopeful that these were still un-Asian - nope .. :-(

Try Feuerhand.