Semi-OT: Email Program

[Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney]

Thanks. I may have to stick with XP for compatibility reasons. What security issues have you seen with XP since it's no longer supported? I have had none with 2000 myself.

[Don Y]

Note that I recently was the "victim" of a colleague's THUNDERBIRD client sending me the same email every three minutes for many hours! So, OE doesn't have a monopoly on bugs! :>

Note that if you have an IMAP account (or, can convert your connection to the mail server to use IMAP), you may be able to configure your email client to "leave messages on server"; THEN, push the messages back to the corresponding "folders" on the mail server after reconfiguring the connection for IMAP.

Once you switch over to a new mail client, you can then "retrieve" the mail as if you're seeing it for the first time -- into the folders on your *PC*.

[dadiOH]

A cursory reading of that dialog indicates that you store a lot of stuff in OE "folders". I assume that you are aware that those "folders" are not actually folders but dbx files storing data sequentially, said data being resolved into discrete emails when the need arises.

I expect your problems might go away if you transferred your stored emails to actual Windows folders; i.e., store them external to OE. You can just drag and drop individual emails or groups of emails from OE to a Windows folder. They will become individual emails in the new folder, not dbx files; they will also become much larger because of the OS minimum allocation unit which greatly exceeds the size of a normal email. You can mitigate the size increase by zipping the folder.

In short, don't store stuff in OE, store it externally.

[Jim Wilkins]

Thanks. I may have to stick with XP for compatibility reasons. What security issues have you seen with XP since it's no longer supported? I have had none with 2000 myself. ================ The only problem I see with XP and IE8 is websites not displaying correctly, compared to Firefox.

[Jim Wilkins]

Have you had any problems with it?

-jsw

[Terry Coombs]

There are fewer problems than they'd like you to think , all the hackers are now focused on the newer OS's . I have several comps running XP Pro and XP Home , no problems that I'm aware of - but then I'm pretty anal about antivirus and antispyware software .

[Stormin Mormon]

I was totally pleased with the virus magnet OE, until some how my browser got updated, and that made OE no longer work. Window Live Mail was a PIA, and I went to Thunderbird. I don't much like it, but is some what functional.

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[hubops]

I have happily used XP Pro for many years - no security issues -

- no compatibility issues - no problems what-so-ever. It's solid. The obsolete factor will eventually affect me - when I need to add new devices ... but it's been a great operating system, on my big old HP tower, for a dozen years or more. John T.

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[Serge]

No security issues with XP? Seriously?

ROFLMAO!

Best troll ever!

[Terry Coombs]

Really ? I'm also an XP user , and I have no security issues - because I have good AV and AS software . It also helps if you don't troll places that are likely to try to ddownload a virus . And just where did Snuffy say he had no issues with XP ? He's using Win2000 , you idiot . -- Snag

[taxed and spent]

I am still using XP and have no security issues with Win2000.

[Ralph Mowery]

Win XP has had over 10 years to plug the security issues and still has problems. Just think how many that a newer system may have.

I gave up on worring about security issues years ago. I run a virus checker and sometimes other programs to check on the computer. I have an external hard drive and make up a backup of the computer every couple of months. Also the pictures and documents are backed up on CDs or DVDs. I usually have

2 or 3 computers around incase one of them craps out. Just get one off ebay for around $ 100 to $ 150 and keep both of them with about the same things on them.

[Mayayana]

| I have happily used XP Pro for many years - no security issues - | - no compatibility issues - no problems what-so-ever. It's solid. | The obsolete factor will eventually affect me - when I need to add new | devices ...

I just ordered parts to build myself a new box. I have no plans to move from XP for the foreseeable future. I do have a Win7 box, but find it a hassle in a hundred small ways. I was pleased to find that there still seems to be pretty much universal hardware support for XP. Looking up drivers for Asus and Gigabyte motherboards, both companies had them for XP, as did ATI.

Like you, security is the least of my concerns with XP. I only worry that eventually some hardware or software I must have won't run. But I don't see that happening any time soon. The only software I'm aware of that won't run is Photoshop. But that went from ridiculously overpriced to ridiculously overpriced subscription. I have no regrets about not having Photoshop.

I think the people who warn about XP security are mainly people who have read the marketing press releases but don't actually know much about computers. Microsoft always markets by saying, "Our old stuff is dangerous junk. You should buy our new stuff!" (They're the only company I know that gets away with that.)

What people don't realize is that the vast majority of security issues are not with Windows itself. The problems are with "web-facing" software. I saw an article the other day saying that QuickTime is actually the biggest current threat on Windows. Other common security holes involve Flash, Adobe Acrobat Reader, IE, javascript and Java. Javascript is by far the biggest issue, being necessary for most other attacks. Anyone who doesn't use IE should be *at least* as safe on XP as they will be on Win7-10. disabling the items listed above will be the main factor in not getting malware.

[Frank]

You can set up T-bird to leave mail on your server if that is where OE leaves it. That's what I did on wife's computer for me but not when I use mine.

[Steve W.]

I've run T-Bird since it came out. No issues except I don't like the tabbed mail so actually dug up an OLD version (2.0) to use. This version can run on pretty much any windows machine from an old 98 box to windows

1. No issues at all and setting it up is easy really.

[rbowman]

Not in the last few years. I did have one Linux version that couldn't find its own mail. I pointed KMail at the directories. It read the stored messages with no problem so I stayed with KMail and KNode for news.

The more recent releases have been trouble free.

[rbowman]

None. We have several XP build machines that can't be upgraded for various reasons. The company has decided to restrict their access to the internet just to be sure.

This isn't an anti-Microsoft rant but IE8 was a dog. The Javascript engine was very slow and with more sites depending heavily on client side Javascript it's a real loser.

[Jim Wilkins]

When I'm using dialup and speed really shows, IE8 loads uncached sites faster than Firefox 42. Also Firefox won't display enhanced NWS weather radar and doesn't suggest which plug-in is missing. I fiddled with Adobe and some Mozilla-suggested Flash alternatives a bit, then went back to IE8.

-jsw

[rbowman]

Firefox 42 is a beta developer's version that won't be released to the general public until next month. 41.0.2 shows the NWS site fine on my 7 laptop. You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.

How a site loads and performs can vary. We have one J2EE/Struts2 product that depends on client side Javascript. Operations that can take 30 seconds or longer on IE8 perform fine on IE9.

We dropped support for IE8 and advised our clients to use Chrome if their machines couldn't run IE9.

With the trend towards HTML5 and heavy client side Javascript, along with the deprecation of Flash, Java applets, ActiveX, and other security nightmares enjoy IE8 while you can.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Depends on how you use it. We have an XP computer at work for the past five years with no AV on it. Never had a problem. It sends an email a couple of times a day, no other internet access is needed or used.