I recently helped an older (than me ...) couple set up their new computer
, and yesterday they called to ask for help in setting up their email . I
have no experience with the new comps , I'm a steadfast XP user .
I did a little bit of research today , and it looks like they need an app
for that ... is this how the new ones work ? I know how to set up the server
settings , user stuff and all that , but had no luck at all trying to help
them find the email client (over the phone) that I thought should be there -
every OS I'm familiar with has one built in (or included) with the OS .
I need some help here ...
Some of these services insert their spam into every email you receive. I
won't accept that.
BTW, my email is with my web hosting company. They provide POP3, IMAP,
and webmail all from the same mailbox. On my computer, I use Thunderbird.
I'm with you. I'm still using OE6 on XP, even though
I have a ridiculously powerful, dual-CPU Dell in the
other room that was given to me. OE6 requires a
little extra care for security, but it's very capable
while also being fairly simple.
There was a discussion about this recently in the
Win7 group. On Vista, Microsoft removed Outlook Express
but added Windows Mail, a similar program. On Win7
there's nothing installed but one can install Windows
Live Mail. Many people seem to think WLM is inferior
to WM and there's a hack for getting WM running on
Win7. At any rate, you should be able to install Windows
Live Mail on Win8.
What I do for people is to install Thunderbird. It's not
quite as well designed and intuitive as OE, but it's designed
to be similar and works fairly well once it's set up. Though
like Firefox, later versions may be more trouble to set up
than older versions.
I found that the only really confusing part was that TB
sets up POP3 settings per account, but the outgoing SMTP
settings, for reasons unknown, are separate.
I actually set up a new email address for someone in
TB just a few days ago. It worked OK, but TB wanted to
hold my hand through the whole operation. It actually
wouldn't allow the account to be set up until it succeeded
in checking the email account with the settings I gave it!
A somewhat understandable but maddening design on the
part of the Mozilla people.
TB should also import old email from MS programs if
need be. Just tell it what to import during install and
it should find the accounts. If the email is now on XP
or Win7, on another computer, you should be able to
just copy over the .dbx files from the Application
Data folder and point TB at them.
I don't know of any other decent email software. There
seem to be some old programs that have fans, but nothing
that stands out.
Generally, the only thing one needs today for email is a web browser
-- Firefox, Chrome, whatever; because most email is web-based. It's
accessed from the web. There are dedicated programs for email if one
insists on storing all correspondence on their own computer.
At that point it comes down to preference.
| The is no need to set-up an app when there are so many free internet
emails like Outlook, Yahoo, or Gmail. It's also handier to check your email
when you're not at home.
That's no help if they want to use an existing ISP
account. There are also numerous advantages to
ISP accounts. (Or any other real email, whether it
be thorugh owning a domain/website, ISP, or paying
for email service.)
Free webmail is an ad-supported service that basically
belongs to the provider. They claim the right to read
and keep your email, as well as showing you ads. They
don't allow you to completely delete that email.
people have several free, real email accounts with their
ISP. One can also have a large number of accounts by
owning and hosting one's own domain. (I pay only $9/
month for full-service hosting.) And virtually all real email
can also be accessed online as a webmail version if
necessary. Real email also has all sorts of superior
functionality, not the least of which is that it runs in a real
webpage. It also provides the ability to store all of your
email locally and to delete it from the server. And it
provides conveniences like extensive, custom filtering
I accept spyware webmail (gmail, yahoo, facebook,
outllok.com, live.com, hotmail) to some of my email
addresses because I have to, but I don't write personal
emails to those people. The email address for my website
is set up to auto-delete free webmail. I figure that if
people can't be bothered to spend a couple of minutes,
or a couple of bucks, to have real email that's not run by
a sleazy operation like Google or Yahoo, then there's no
reason I should spend time reading their message, which
is almost certainly asking me for a favor. :)
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:45:16 PM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
Had that problem with Win 7 & 8.1 also. I now use eM Client (www.emclient.com) It inputs any e-mail address of your choice, is free, and works reasonably well once you get used to it. With a paid version you can input several e-mails to it.
Thanks to all , I guess I'll be going over there and installing/configuring
Tbird for these folks . I have both a gmail and outlook.com accounts , but
they're throwaway accounts so I don't have to give out my primary pop3
account to every Tom Dick and Mary .
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 9:04:57 PM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
Good plan...Thunderbird should be no problem for the aged ones. I know because all of the sudden I am an old man. Don't know how that happened but it must have crept up on me. Now I'm looking for that "fountain of youth" that Ponce de Leon failed to find.
About 8 years ago I went from Eudora to Thunderbird as Eudora was
unsupported and could not be fully adapted to Vista. Six years later
when my Vista machine bit the dust and I got a Win 8.1 machine, I found
TB much easier to install. I had also put TB on my wife's Win 7 laptop
when using to bridge the gap between machines. Mozilla products
constantly update and do not try to wring cash out of you like Microsoft.
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:09:20 -0800 (PST), bob_villa
But sometimes you actually want to keep your email on your 'puter. A
real e-mail client is a good idea. I sprung for outlook (microsoft
Office product, not the online service of the same name) but Mozilla
has a good free one that works too.
I believe that Windows 8.1 comes with a mail app, but the app runs only
in the Modern (mobile-device-like) interface. This app will only work
with IMAP servers, not POP3. Otherwise Windows no longer comes bundled
with an email program like Outlook Express or Windows Mail.
They would be better off using one of the various free email programs
such as Mozilla Thunderbird.
RedAlt5 suggested one that looks pretty good . I may try that eMclient
program he suggested . One thing I really like about OE6 is that I can set
it to leave a copy on the server on the computer I take when I travel , so
when I get home I can download the messages to my desktop - which is set to
delete them from the server .
The other options are to use the ISP's web interface orTbird . For myself
, I don't use the webmail , I'd lots rather have those messages stored on MY
comp than theirs .
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