Power is out, but not me!

yabbut, shaking your head left-to-right 60 times/second gets real painful real fast

In my opinion avoid ANY Generac - - -

On the other hand, the advantage of using them is if your primary contractor is out of business in four years, they'll be someone else in the area who knows how to service it.

The $300 annual fee is the SMALL part of the insurance policy. Waht's a 12Kw genset cost, installed? and what is the interest cost if financed, or the opportunity cost of the cash you spent out of your investments???

It was Kohler or Generac. The Kohler distributor was horrible. The Generac deal is a dream. They will stand by their stuff.

I have a degree in Electrical engineering, so I saw right through the Kohler dealers B*** S***! They keep this S*** up and they will eventually get sued out of existence. (Kohler itself seems on the up and up.)

Unlike those other fly-by-nighters .. .. Cummins, Briggs, Kohler, .. John T.

I hope your brother recovers. Good luck.

Thanks, I do too.

T snipped-for-privacy@invalid.invalid wrote in news:v3h1mo$37va5$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

I have a 16 kW Guardian Generac, installed about three years ago. Whole house. No wifi. I see yours is wifi enabled. What do you mean it doesn't work?

Boris snipped-for-privacy@invalid.com wrote in news:XnsB185E63F83262nospaminvalidcom@135.181.20.170:

Mine uses LP. There's no NG lines in the area because it's too difficult to dig and lay lines due to granite batholiths. All powerlines are overhead and trees are subject to snow loading and taking out electric.

The signal is very week. The installer techs told me that they sell a package to add on that does work, but it was not worth it

There are some folks ot her is LP bottles that ran out of fuel running their whole house. Some lost the water line before the LP people could get to them through all the snow. Be careful!

I don't know about those last two. We just put it on the credit card, paid it off at the end of the month, and enjoyed the cash back (at the expense of someone who carries a balance).

The other issue with LP can be the evaporation rate during cold winter weather. You could have a full bottle - but the cold temp. limits the amount of propane that can be delivered to the generator. I was considering a dedicated propane bottle for my stand-by generator, because of the location - but learned that a single likely wouldn't suffice in the coldest winter temps. so I'll need to trench-in a propane line from the existing bottles and probably add a 3rd. John T.

Ah ha. Now we understand why your brain malfunctions so frequently. Cerebral hypoxia!

You may know of the 'trick' to point the exhaust of the generator to the gas bottle in cold weather to warm it up so you do not have the problem of low gas pressure . Sometimes that is not possiable with fixed generators. For the portable ones it is usually easy to position the two so the exaust warms up the bottle.

Regarding opportunity cost, my mother once talked about it with the women she played Bridge with, and they couldn't seem to understand her. This was about the cost of the house and the interest (or other investment income) one loses. It's the same as the generator discussion except the numbers are bigger. If you pay on time, you pay interest on the balance until it's paid off, but even when it's paid off, whether immediately or after years, you don't have the purchase money to invest. She never did get them to understand. My mother only had a high-school education but being smart made up the difference.

This is also why renting is not the bad economic deal compared to buying that it is portrayed, especially if you have a good rent. When I lived in Brooklyn NY, for some reason my landlord only raised my rent once in

Now that is "Sneaky"!!!!

:-)

Mine's exhaust is warm and I can put my can over it without discomfort.

My house is now paid off. All I owe is property taxes, which are pretty low on an owner-occupied building. And I have virtually complete control over my house; I'm not dependent on a landlord for repairs and improvements.

Those are pretty rare. Only six states have cities with rent control.

Michigan has property tax control. That works much better for me.

My mother pays perhaps $300 in property tax _per year_.

Rent is a scam. The average rent in this county is $1139/mo. The average rent in the city of Ann Arbor is $1993/mo. That's more than the mortgage payment was on my 3-bedroom house on 2 acres.