Do you think it's possible for a business in the US that does
business, selling equipment costing 100's of thousands of dollars,
with US towns or counties, and with foreign governments, to have an
appearance on the web, as shown by a google search, that is limited to
3 hits: its own webpage (including 7 subpages), a linkedin page, and
a 2 minute youtube video (an animation, with no actual people or
things in it)?
Bing had 2 hits in linkedin (including one for its president), and two
other hit that google didn't have, both pages similar to linkedin,
such as corporationwiki. It also had local.com and yellowpages.com,
meaning Bing found more than Google! But still are those pages of
any value in judging the company?
Yahoo.com had the 2 hits in linkedin or two other similar pages, and
the youtube video.
One of these pages said it has sales of 1.5 million with 15 employees,
but isn't this "information" whatever the subject of the page say in
the questionairre it submits?
I tend to think the company is a fraud, but my question is not if you
agree, but if you think it is *possible* that it's a functioning,
growing company that really did have sales of 1.5 million, even though
there are no hits from newspapers or business publications?
On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 2:54:41 AM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Possible? Sure. How much presence a company like that has on the
web is largely up to them. 1.5 mil, 15 employees isn't likely to be
written up in the media. One thing that doesn't add up is if they are
selling equipment worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, total sales
of only $1.5 mil doesn't seem right. But is it possible? Sure.
And the minimum investment appears to be $400,000.
Plus they have a chart that says ROI is 51.5% in 12 months.
And they have a list of opportunities, but few, maybe not any, said
there were actual signed contracts and payments made.
On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 8:12:35 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
51% promised rate of return is a good indication of a scam. On the other
hand typical scammers are very happy to take $25K. That's the
sweet spot, a lot more of those pigeons around and they typically
aren't as sophisticated and likely to spot a scam as someone with
The guy who invested actually went to where some of the machinery was
installed, 100's of miles from his home, and saw it in operation. It
wa very impressive, but I spent a lot of time watching Mission
Impossible and Hogan's Heroes, and I can imagine their having someone
get there 30 minutes earlier and hang a sign with their company name
on machinery that was made by someone else. Going on a weekend when
there's no one there to know who was contracted and who wasn't.
I hope this friend of a friend doesn't lose money, but if he does, I
will likely never know. I don't normally talk to him, and he won't
call everyone he knows to tell them he was cheated, and even if it's a
total scam, it may not make the newspapers at all, certainly not when
I'm reading. And if the scam is really well done, he may not even
know he's been cheated.
On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:09:34 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
That Zbest cleaning company in CA did exactly that. This was an 18 year
old that started a cleaning business. Soon he was expanding, multiple
trucks, started doing fire restoration cleanup. Big profits, great
margins, he grew it and in a few years took it public. The whole thing
was a fraud. When the investment bankers got curious and wanted to see
one of these restorations, he found an empty floor in a highrise commercial
building and took them there. He had previously made some visits under
some BS ruse of renting or something so the security guard at the desk
had seen him, he'd talked to him. So when he walks in with the bankers,
he greats the guard by name, takes them up to the empty floor, I think
it was on a Sat too, he might have had a few employees there that were
pretending to be doing cleanup work, etc. It
worked, he completely fooled them. Eventually the whole thing came out
because he had previously cheated some woman on a credit card purchase
and she pursued it with the police. Company stock went to zero, there
was no real business. It was all cooked books and a sham. He went off
And in true scoundrel fashion, after this guy got out of prison, he
started another scam. He started a business and website to uncover
frauds. Then he partnered up with a crooked FBI agent. The FBI agent
was feeding him inside info on companies that were under investigation.
So, the scammer shorted the stock of the companies, then leaked the info
had the stock crater and cashed in. Ultimately he got so bold that he
was trying to blackmail companies, threatening to ruin them unless they
paid him to go away. They busted him again and the FBI agent too. These
people are really good at what they do.
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