O.T. The sick gun culture.

[krw]

"Never let a crisis go to waste." "If they bring a knife to a fight, we'll bring a gun."

[bpuharic]

11,000 deaths are insiginificant?

[bpuharic]

anyone know what 'defend ourselves' means? we have the highest murder rate in the developed world

how's that defense thingie working out?

[krw]

2,000,000 defensive uses of guns are insignificant?

[krw]

You know, when you use a gun to "convince" the no-good-nick to not rob you and rape your daughter?

Yes, that's how defense works. You daughter might thank you, even if your wife might enjoy it.

[RicodJour]

Interesting. Probability of being hit by lightning interesting, but interesting. That's my issue with the whole gun thing. I don't care if people own guns any more than I care if people own fireworks or jet planes, but people whip out these astoundingly remote possibilities as justification for owning a gun. I suppose it's akin to telling the wife that you _need_ the new Porsche four door sedan (screaming car, BTW, but kinda ugly) in case you have to rush someone to the hospital at 180 MPH. I mean it could happen, right, honey, so can I get it - for safety's sake....?

R

[Robert Green]

Yes, we would much rather be gunless, gutless perfect baby-killing Brits:

James Patrick Bulger (16 March 1990 - 12 February 1993) was a two-year-old boy from Kirkby, Merseyside, England, who was abducted, tortured and murdered by two 10-year-old boys, Robert Thompson (born 23 August 1982) and Jon Venables (born 13 August 1982). Bulger disappeared on 12 February 1993 from the New Strand Shopping Centre, Bootle, while accompanying his mother. His mutilated body was found on a railway line in nearby Walton on 14 February.

And those two murdering 10 year olds didn't even have a gun.

Here are some more gun massacres committed by your fellow, peace-loving Brits:

The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan, armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself.

On 13 March 1996, unemployed former shopkeeper and former Scout leader Thomas Watt Hamilton (born Thomas Watt, Jr. 10 May 1952) walked into the Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning HP pistols and two Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolvers, all legally held. He was carrying 743 cartridges, and fired his weapons 109 times.

The Cumbria shootings were a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in the county of Cumbria, North West England, United Kingdom.

Yes, the peace-loving, gun-hating Brits somehow still manage to massacre people with guns they supposedly don't have. Just like psychos everywhere else in the world. Didn't the Brits virtually invent serial killing with Jack the Ripper? Don't you EVER get tired of running down America when it's clear you Brits are not one iota better?

And when you can't get guns, you build bombs to mass murder:

David John Copeland (born May 15, 1976) is a former member of the British National Party and the National Socialist Movement, who became known as the "London Nail Bomber" after a 13-day bombing campaign in April 1999 aimed at London's black, Bangladeshi and gay communities. The bombs killed three people, including a pregnant woman, and injured 129, four of whom lost limbs. No warnings were given.

-- Bobby G.

[HeyBub]

I kinda knew what you meant but wanted to clarify in case some took your observation the wrong way.

I agree with you that the vast majority of gun owners are not 'roided out primates. If you saw the video of the person who helped subdue the perp (who was also carrying a gun), you'll see the epitome of conscientious gun carriers. He was articulate, thoughtful, rational, and in control. He was also the same age as the shooter!

I wonder if Joe Zamudio - the guy with a gun who didn't pull it - served in the military? It usually takes some training to "run to the sound of the guns."

[krw]

Interesting that you would find the rape of your daughter "interesting".

About the same chance as being killed by a stray bullet; far greater than that of drowning.

Bullshit. You're just a big-government lefty loon.

You're a damned liar. You don't care if they own guns, just not for the reasons they own guns. You're a two-faced hypocrite, like all leftists.

You really are that stupid. We all know.

[Steve B]

Displaying a firearm and not using it can be considered as "brandishing a firearm" in many states.

Scenario: Bad guys want to rob you. You "display" firearm and they retreat. They go to police officer and state that you waved a gun at them. One lies and the other swears to it. You get arrested and lose your permit.

You never pull a gun unless you shoot it.

Steve

[DD_BobK]

Review the data, TV isn't much of a research tool.

[DD_BobK]

R-

I believe your "innocent bystanders hit by random shots from armed citizens " is a near zero probability event.

If such a thing happened, it would have be reported in the news over & over again.

It is my opinion (based on very little data) that armed citizens responding to bad guys are much more careful shooters. They lack the "legal cover" that police officers enjoy. A cop can empty his gun at a target and few question it.

In a suburb of LA, LA County Deputy Sheriffs (10 of them) fired 120 shots at a guy in a Suburban. He turned out to be unarmed, luckily they only hit him with four shots but they did manage to hit one of their own.

Total lack of fire discipline... maybe cops should go back to revolvers, with fewer rounds they might be more careful or at the very least have fewer total misses.

[DD_BobK]

Harry-

Keep posting..... reminds me to thank my ancestors for immigrating.

cheers Bob

[Gary]

I am a gun owner, but insane people should never be allowed to have guns.

[Kurt Ullman]

ABout the time the Dems apologize for their website where they had bullseyes on certain districts.

[Jim Yanik]

willshak wrote in news:Ud6dnfSDOZYAy7bQnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

He -could- have used a bomb,like the Muslims. I also note the Columbine killers had bombs,that failed to explode.

perhaps to deal with a riot mob,such as the LA riots of several years ago,where police refused to enter the riot zone. I note that Korean shopkeepers used "assault weapons" to keep the rioters from burning them and their families alive,when the rioters came to torch their shops/homes.(they lived above the shops)

FYI,the 33 round magazine is made for the Glock 18,a select-fire machine pistol.But the Glock 17 also accepts the standard 17 round magazine. The 33 round mag fits in all the 9mm Glocks,but sticks out (extends) from the handgrip.

Note the shooter had a magazine malfunction at ~20 rounds,stopping him and giving others a chance to jump him before he could insert another magazine.

[Kurt Ullman]

Just so we all can be on the same page. The above doesn't qualify as "hate speech".

[Jim Yanik]

bpuharic wrote in news: [e-mail]:

were all or most of those committed by LAWFUL gun owners? Or by criminals who were already prohibited from having a gun or even a single round of ammo? (punishable with 5 years for EACH round of ammo and each weapon) I suspect the latter.

chalk it up to the "revolving door of "justice""; lenient judges and prosecutors who plea-bargain down to lesser crimes and shorter sentences.

[Kurt Ullman]

Seems to you? Not eaxctly a compelling statistical argument. A n= The armed civvie in Tucson was immaterial - he got there after the

The armed civvie was one of the people who tackled the perp and sat on him until the cops arrived (some time later on). Hardly after the mayhem over.

Where did you get this number other than from the thin air? I haven't seen any thing that gives any timeframe.

[Jim Yanik]

bpuharic wrote in news: [e-mail]:

"developed world"? cherry-picking,I see. Mexico is developed,and theirs is higher.

according to Gary Kleck,over 2 MILLION DGUs per year.