I used to be an LEO and never heard of such as you claim:
1. The chances of hitting an innocent person in an exchange of gunfire is
closely adjacent to zero. Of the literally thousands of gunshots in urban
environments every day, there's maybe one or two innocent people hit in a
2. No department is going to demand, suggest, or even allow frangible
bullets or "light" loads - that would be evidence sufficient of insanity. In
fact, most departments frown on anything but factory-loaded, ball
ammunition. Even these are often insufficient to corral the freak. Consider
cold-weather clothing, topped off by a heavy-duty leather jacket. An
ordinary 9mm or .38 bullet will merely bother the squint with a nasty
bruise. If the mope is hopped-up on crack, shooting him is liable to make
AT least on Yahoo you get the band the video game and the song. include
kill or death and you get more but it is real hard to figure out who got
hit by a stray bullet because somebody hosed the place down and those
who got hit a bullet gone astray as in the discussion.
To find that place where the rats don\'t race
and the phones don\'t ring at all.
I forget that google stacks your results according to links you went
to in the past- so I get lots of newspaper stories from all over the
This seemed to give me more signal than noise;
bystander gunshot cities
I've picked a few nits in my day- but I'm not sure I see a significant
difference of "stray bullets" and "bullets gone astray".
The statement that rattled my cage was Heybub saying;
"1. The chances of hitting an innocent person in an exchange of
gunfire is closely adjacent to zero. Of the literally thousands of
gunshots in urban environments every day, there's maybe one or two
innocent people hit in a year."
Sounds to me like he's counting all the thousands of bullets.
There is a news item, slightly old, that Philadelphia police officers
will soon (likely already did) get the option of purchasing larger caliber
alternatives for their service weapons:
Glock 22 and 35, .40 caliber, magazine capacity 15 rounds.
Glock 21 and 21 "slim frame", standard rails only, .45 ACP, magazine
capacity 13 rounds.
Philadelphia Police Department officers carrying these larger caliber
weapons on duty have the requirement of carrying certification cards for
such larger caliber weapons.
This item has a date of December 4 2008. It appears to me that the
perps in Philadelphia have the tide turned against them a bit.
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
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