It depends .. some companies (LV comes to mind ;-) ) charge either a
flat rate, or an incremental rate based on order total rather than by
Others I've seen (and don't remember off the top of my head) will allow
you to get to the shipping rates prior to entering any *financial*
information -- which is how I interpreted the OP's post (yeah, I know,
not *exactly* what the OP said ...)
Regardless, I won't do business with anyone I have to give information
to, to find s/h data (other than at most, zip code) ... It's just not
Personally, I generally don't use mail/web/phone orders to get a "deal"
-- usually, by the time you factor in the s/h, any savings are lost.
The real benefit to me for m/w/p is better selection. LV doesn't have a
store in PDX, so I'm happy to do business with them - and I've used all
three modes. I've done other business with, eg, Amazon, because they had
something I couldn't find locally either at all, or easily enough.
But I won't do business with companies that make finding s/h a chore.
Let's face it. The ONLY info required to get a quote for the TOTAL
price of anything should be a zip code. (Your name and address is
hardly likely to influence the price, is it.) BUT once you enter even
some basic personal info the seller can add it to his growing list of
names which he can onsell to some oter enterprise and THAT, children,
is why you get half a forest of junk crap dropped through your mailbox
Zip code is all that is required. If you look at the rate charts that UPS,
FedEx and others distribute for web type shopping carts, all they require is
If you really need to use a particular vendor that pulls this crap, just put
in bogus info and make sure the zip is correct.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
You certainly got an online or emailed receipt for the total. If they later
billed you for an amount different from the receipt, you have grounds for a
refund. Attorneys general get really itchy about fraud.
This may be true for some items, but the one
that I have been keeping an eye on (Bessey
24/40 clamp set) has actually come down in price
about $10. (Was $140 now $130). Of course,
it was $130 up until about 6 months ago.
Still offering free shipping on it too.
Now, when I get some kind of coupon or $off
deal to go with it, I may "pull the trigger".
Last (and only) time I got it for $99!!
I just got a flyer with an order from Lee Valley. They give notification
that Bessey is going to have a national promotion in October, but they
cannot quote prices yet. So watch for announcements from all the Rocklers,
Woodcrafts, Amazons, etc.
Man do I feel left out of this thread... maybe I have been self
employed too damn long, responsible for myself and my business.
The cost of goods in the consumer's eyes should be the cost to the
door. Taxes, shipping, handling, notifications, shipping method, and
anything else that I ALWAYS ask for is revealed when questioned. That
is being responsible with your money. It is >your< responsibility to
be careful, prudent, and wise with your money. Period.
Amazon is not doing anything you couldn't eventually figure out... I
mean you did, right? Was it because it was there in front of you?
If you don't like the answers, if you don't like the method of
presentation, or if you don't like the way you are treated, why in the
hell would you buy from one of these companies
and their affiliates?
Life is too short. Complaining will do absolutely nothing. Move on.
Next vendor, please.
Uh... I think you miss the point. I know these conversations will certainly
have a bearing on where I buy my next tool. Complaining to the company will do
no good. Complaining to the newsgroup will help *someone*. Hopefully before
they get screwed.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:23:26 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Looks like you are both saying the same thing. The difference is that by
perhaps alerting some people who might not have looked so closely, or who
had not been tracking prices previously, the OP is actually helping send a
message to the vendor by amplifying a single voice to a broader audience of
potential buyers. I went back and checked my records, my last purchase
from Amazon or Tool Crib of the Amazon was in April, 2003. I really
haven't found prices to be all that much better than other on-line,
dedicated woodworking sources like Woodworkers Supply or Lee Valley or
others. While I understand that shipping prices are going to rise, trying
to hide those changes is not really very up-front with customers.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
They are deceptive in other ways. If you sell a book through them they
charge the customer ~$3.50 for shipping, but only pass along ~$2.60 to
you to cover shipping costs. This is in addition to their listing fee and
percentage of the sale. Unless you have sold through them And bought from
private sellers through them, this 'fee' is completely hidden. I
complained about this to them and did get a response, but it was of the
humma, humma variety.
I wonder if this is part of the plan to get everyone purchase Amazon
Prime memberships. Not only are tools taking longer to ship, so are
books. I just placed an order for books with free shipping, and it
will take 3 weeks for them to arrive.
Step 1) Offer Amazon Prime
Step 2) Delay Shipping
*) Remove rebates
*) Increase prices
and that's a sure way to increase profits.
This increase in tool prices aren't done in a vacuum. The current
Amazon policy is that if you find a brick & mortar store or catalog
with a lower price, they will match it plus 10%.
(i.e. this does not apply to a web site).
I'm wondering if they are beefing up their quarter's profits, so
'round Christmas time, they can drop prices again.
I was surprised that those books I ordered weren't as low cost as they
used to be.
I ordered 3 PB books w/$7 list price, and they only knocked the price
done a total of $1.40 off list.
Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of
$500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract.
Well, at least one item I just checked (Performax 16/32) is suddenly NOT
eligible for Prime. It was before its price increased. I wonder what other
products are no longer eligible for free shipping of any sort.
I joined Prime when it was first offered. At the time, I thought it made sense
for me, given my purchase history and the stuff I was thinking about buying. It
has certainly paid for itself by now (I've bought a lot of books, and some
cookware, and taken good advantage of the free 2-day shipping), so if I can't
use it for the rest of the year, I won't be terribly upset. But I won't renew
my membership if the power tools on my wish list remain ineligible.
I think you missed the point -- I did figure it out.
However, I wanted to achieve two goals with this post:
1. Inform others who might be misled
2. Indirectly influence Amazon if such posts cause enough potential
buyers to either look otherwise or to speak up themselves.
As you say, "Life is too short" to argue about this... If you disagree
with my thinking, the as you say "Move on. Next" post "please".
Don't confuse the price of the product Amazon is selling with what the
transaction will cost you when shipping, handling, tax, are added in. From
my view as a consumer, price and cost are not the same thing.
I'm not a big fan of Amazon, but don't hold them responsible for the cost of
Any tools or woods purchased or any time or money spent in the pursuit of
woodworking that employs our evolutionary advantage of opposing thumbs needs
no further justification.
I think you totally missed my point. I am not holding them responsible
for anything -- they can say what they want and charge what they want
(as long as they are not violating some law).
I was just pointing out that their marketing was misleading if not
deceptive (though almost certainly not illegal) -- goal was to inform
others and perhaps indirectly influence Amazon to avoid such
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