Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on Android?

In , Meanie suggested:

Thank you for pointing out the distinction.

In both cases though, the distinction is that the *personality* of the person who choose one platform over the other is distinctly different.

HOG vs Beemer vs RICER (totally different personalities & affluence levels) iOS vs Android (completely different personalities in most cases)

It's sort of like the difference in personality between some guy who asks What synthetic oil does BMW tell me to put in my bimmer?

Anyone who even *asks* that question should get the answer that you should only put in LL-01 certified oil (depending on the model year) and nothing else (which knocks out perfectly good oils simply because they're not certified).

But a person who asks simply "what oil do you use" gets a different answer, that has a bit more detail such as API quality levels and SAE viscosity constraints and cost/composition considerations (given there are multiple "types" of motor oils that meet API and SAE needs at the base level).

My point is that the iOS user and Android user personality follows the same pattern that you can tell, from the question, what the user *wants* to hear as the answer.

One wants to feel "safe" by the answer; the other just wants the correct answer.

Thanks for correcting the trademarking of the distinctive tailpipe sound. I had always thought that a rather unusual request for respite from competition.

I think my ego is quite secure, but you're welcome to attack my facts. I learn from what others say and I'm not afraid to state the facts.

Look above to see who is actually whining.

I presented verifiable facts in my answer to Erilar for example. Where are yours to support your (completely wrong) answer to Erilar?

If you can't tell us that my facts are wrong, then your answer to her was dead wrong - and therefore you did her a disservice.

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Tomos Davies
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WTF? I'm not reading Erilar's replies or disputing anything about the IOS. I'm calling you out on your pathetic diatribes while cross posting in a group not even associated with iPhone or electronics for that matter.

Again, WTF are you talking about? No, forget that. I don't care. You have issues.

What part of "let it go" do you fail to comprehend? You thumped your chest with your so called facts about IOS.....BRAVO! Job well done? You da man! You just don't know when to quit. Fortunately, I do.

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Meanie

BTW, you aren't stating facts. You were wrong about HD's trademark and assuming all HD owners think alike. Don't confuse your opinion with facts. Facts = truth. You stated nothing of the sort. I'm beginning to see the problem with you.

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Meanie

Sooooo many thing:

Run viruses. Install Rootkits to send all your data (ALL) to China.

Install firmware viruses that you cannot mitigate against

Run "normal" apps that invade your privacy and track everything you do and everywhere you go and send that data to ad bots, malware bots, and nefarious hosts that will pwn your device.

Install software you didn't know was being installed or want installed along side something you thought you did want.

Automatically place calls to very expensive "900" type numbers or make "in-app" purchases without you knowledge.

Watermark your photographs with your personal information so that "authorities" can prove you were the one who took a picture they didn't like.

Automatically send all your photographs to a government agency (or private company) without your knowledge.

Run background tasks indiscriminately that drain your battery and your data allotment.

And so many other things.

Yeah, Android CAN do so much more.

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Lewis

The typical Apple user doesn't care about any of that stuff. Bit Torrent? REALLY? I think the perceived comparison exists only in your mind. Trust me, I worked for Apple for many years - the Apple user cares about getting high quality funtionality simply, easily, and elegantly. The details of the specs really don't matter. Matter of fact, Apple products have never been about being "best" in any technical way.

Depending on how old you are, you may remember Bang & Olufsen hi-fi gear (they're still in business, sorta). Immaculately, elegantly constructed, and sounded better than, oh, 80% of the rest of the market. They weren't even slightly interested in the other 20%. You pressed the button and quality music came out. Want to know the RMS power output? Call the factory; otherwise it's "enough."

Steve Jobs famously used B&O; My setup from the late 70's is still gracing my living room.

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Scott Schuckert

What's *really* funny is all of those threads you point to are threads

*you* created to troll the Apple news groups. Your many nyms are known to the regulars in these news groups: Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco, Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos Davies - all you, the same nym-switching Apple-hating Android zealot dumb ass no-life troll.

You only lie and troll, because you have no life. You are a pathetic and sad old man whose only joy is aggravating and disrupting Apple news groups because you are filled with irrational hate. You can't die fast enough for the rest of humanity. We will celebrate with a beer the day you finally fall off a cliff and fade away. You will be quickly forgotten by most people, and won't be missed. That will be your self-created legacy to the world. Just pathetic.

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Jolly Roger

In , Lewis suggested:

Apple cripples what iOS can do just so that the user can *feel* safe.

The weakest link in any consumer mobile device is what makes the device unsafe, not the operating system.

Lewis ... you are an enigma because you are on the a.u.e newsgroups, which usually only intelligent people are on, but you have never once in your life posted anything resembling technical acumen on the technical newsgroups.

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Tomos Davies

In , Meanie suggested:

You are correct that Harley failed to trademark their potato-potato-potato sound, but only because it's really hard to tradmark a sound.

There's nothing in the Lanham Act that precludes trademarking a sound mind you, and certainly MGM, THX, Nissan, NBC, T-Mobile, 20th Century Fox, Duracell, Samsung, Harlem Globetrotters, McDonalds, Sony, Lucasfilms, Intel, Nokia, and AAMCO have all successfully trademarked sounds.

But, I agree, Harley, as you noted, tried vehemently for six years straight, and finally gave up, as their case was too weak from the start.

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Tomos Davies

In , Scott Schuckert suggested:

This is true that iOS as functional as Android is if all the user does is web browse, listen to music, etc.; but the minute they try to do organize their desktop, they find out that the operating system is crippled.

They can't change their launcher ... so ... They can't put an icon where they want to put it. They can't duplicate an icon to put it in multiple logical folders. They can't create empty placeholder folders for future use (or which were simply emptied but they still want for future use). They can't rename an icon to make more sense. They can't hide any icon they want or eliminate the dock if they want. They can't even get rid of desktop screens which came in iOS 9 for heaven's sake, so they *all* have multiple desktop screens even if they only want one. They can't change the grid where the icons go, or the size of the icons. etc.

These are facts.

Basically, the primitive iOS user interface is completely crippled, compared to what a modern interface, such as that on Android can do.

Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.

I stated a fact. Not a figment of imagination. Bit torrent apps are not allowed by Apple.

Are you saying that's not a fact? I only speak facts.

The entire Apple ecosystem is crippled in functionality not by the hardware, but by the shackles put on what it allows the apps to do by Apple.

Do you dispute this fact?

I can prove that instantly to be a fallacy. What you're actually saying is what the Apple Marketing Machine told you to say. They're one of the best Marketing Machine on the planet.

The typical Apple user *wants* his apps to be crippled, because it makes him *feel* safe.

That is the *main* driver of the typical Apple user. The feeling (not actual fact) of safety.

The second main driver is cachet. For feeling safe (and for cachet), the user accepts a crippled user interface.

At least you said one true fact. Look at Apple Maps for example.

I'm pretty old, but never was an audiophile.

Think selenium rectifiers and at best, if super high tech, then think gallium arsenide top hats insulated with transparent sheets of mylar slathered with white titanium oxide paste when we had to replace them ourselves.

While I wasn't an audiophile, we knew, even then, that the 3db point on most speakers were outlandishly optimistic.

Wow. Mine was so big, as I recall, it could be used as a boat anchor. It's somewhere in the attic all boxed up. Good for you that it still works as finding replacement tubes started getting difficult just as mine died.

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Tomos Davies

nothing about ios prevents bittorrent.

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nospam

Highest Android score: 89. Highest iPhone score: 86. A virtual tie. Do you honestly think you could see any real difference in an actual photo using the two phones?

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PAS

You can easily see a difference between the result of a phone and a good camera used by someone who knows how to use the latter, however!

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Erilar

Yes, but I'm addressing the differences between the highest scoring Android phone and the highest scoring iPhone.

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PAS

In , nospam suggested:

Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps. Plus the fact you can't use a secondary app store unless you jailbreak.

Once you jailbreak, then no longer is iOS a crippled operating system. I've never said otherwise.

It's not the hardware that makes iOS so primitive in functionality compared to a modern and more open model such as Android is.

It's Apple.

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Tomos Davies

In , Jolly Roger suggested:

And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.

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Tomos Davies

In , Erilar suggested:

You can find SLR camera scores in plenty of camera aficionado web sites, where the lens is a key factor that mobile devices just can't compete with.

So, while Android barely edges out iOS (in general) in all the tests that matter, the hardware between decent Android phones and most iOS phones (all of which are decent hardware for their day) is about the same.

It's not the hardware that makes iOS so functionally primitive. It's Apple.

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Tomos Davies

In , PAS suggested:

I have always said that the Apple and high end Android hardware is about the same, so, it's not me who is ever going to say that the end result of Android is better than iOS.

Apple iOS may be a primitive operating system, but the camera hardware is modern.

That Android beats out iOS camera results by only a little bit isn't shocking since the high end hardware overall on both platforms is about the same.

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Tomos Davies

no they don't

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nospam

In , nospam suggested:

As they told you when they handed you your head on the Linux newsgroups, your contrarian opinion is duly noted.

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Tomos Davies

Correction in transcription of the test results.

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"DxO has extensively analyzed the image and video quality of over 9,000 cameras, lenses and mobile phones. These analyses are used by top camera manufacturers, media and help power DxO software. DxOMark provides free public access to these results to help guide your camera and lens decisions."

89

- Google Pixel

88

- HTC 10

- Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge

- Sony Xperia X Performance

87

- Huawei P10

- Moto Z Force Droid

- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus

- Sony Xperia XZ

- Sony Xperia Z5

86

- Apple iPhone 7

- LG G5

- Samsung Galaxy Note V

- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge

85

- Huawei Mate 9

- LG V20

84

- Apple iPhone 6s Plus

- Google Nexus 6P

- Moto Z Droid

- Moto G Plus

- Moto Droid Turbo 2

83

- LG G4

- Moto X Style

- Samsung Galaxy Note 4

82

- Apple iPhone 6s

- Apple iPhone 6 Plus

- Apple iPhone 6

- BlackBerry Priv

- Sony Xperia Z3+

- TCL 950

81

- Nextbit Robin

80

- Huawei P9

79

- Samsung Galaxy S5

- Sony Xperia M5

- Sony Xperia Z3

- Sony Xperia Z2

- Xiaomi Mi 5

78

- Google Nexus 6

- HTC One A9

- Xiaomi Mi 5SPlus

77

- Nokia 808 Pureview

- Nubia Z11

76

- Apple iPhone 5S

- OnePlus 2

- Sony Xperia Z1

75

- Samsung Galaxy S4

74

- Huawei P8

- Meizu Pro 6

- Nokia Lumia 1020

73

- LG G2

- Nokia Lumia 925

- Qiku Q Terra

72

- Apple iPhone 5

- Apple iPhone 4S

- Samsung Note II

- Samsung Galaxy S3

70

- GoPro HERO3

69

- Amazon Firephone

- HTC ONE M9

68

- HTC ONE M8

67

- BlackBerry Z10

66

- HTC 8X

- Nokia Lumia 920

61

- Sony Xperia Z

59

- Apple New iPad

57

- Samsung Galaxy S2

50

- Apple iPhone 4

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