No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of suddenit's everywhere.The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-raysand other medical imaging". They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses. So it's good if both look them. But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith andcomes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example. And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightlyor moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but notAI. What say you?

A radiologist assistant is not a Large Language Model.I would expect to some extent, image analysis would be a"module" on an LLM, and not a part of the main bit.Bare minimum, it's a neural network, trained on images,one at a time, that slosh around and train the neurons.For example, something like YOLO_5 (You Only Look Once), canbe trained to identify animals in photos. It draws a box aroundthe presumed animal and names it (or whatever). That uses a lotless hardware than a Large Language Model, and less storage.The article had a picture with a bear in it, and indeed, thebear had a square drawn around it.But as for whether the "quality" is there, that is anotherissue entirely. In my opinion, no radiologist would ever trustsomething as sketchy as YOLO. Radiologists are very particularabout their jobs, as they hate getting sued. And I can imaginethe look on the judges face when you tell him "yer honor, I didn'teven bother to look at that film, the computer told me there wasnothing there"....

Google Books Ngram Viewer traces "AI" way back to beyond 1800, although it seems to have increased rapidly from the mid 1950s. can't help but wonder if many of the earlier citings are initials for things like "Andalusian Insurance" or "American Independence" or "African Iratedness" etc.Ed

In on Tue, 15 Aug 2023 18:36:54 +0100, Ed Cryer so. Very interesting comments from all of you.

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Paul 2 years ago

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"AI founder John McCarthy agreed, writing that "Artificial intelligence is not, by definition, simulation of human intelligence".

This is the interesting stuff.

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The problem with LLM that write software, is you cannot easily evaluate whether the output meets the specification.

It's possible the robot ideas will fall prey to the same issues. If you define a complex enough task, maybe the machine will fail to plan what it has to do properly. And trying the tiny tests with a bag of crisps, isn't really all that much of a challenge, from a complexity perspective.

"Take this 40 foot container of ASML Lithography machine parts, assemble and calibrate the machine."

The motion on the Google robot, isn't all that smooth. Boston Dynamics has some software they use for "choreography", that smooths out some of that. Maybe telling the Google robot "how to be smooth", would automatically result in it choreographing what it is doing. Instead of "bump-bump-bumping" the drawer shut. But the bumping behavior likely results from the computer re-evaluating the problem every 0.2 seconds and working out a new set of actions (which includes another tiny "bump"). So perhaps that's an artifact of the method.

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Chris 2 years ago

Sure it can. Write tests as is normal practice.

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vjp2.at 2 years ago

I used "AI" since 1978. But every few years, what used to be AI becomes commonplace and stops being alled AI. Character and voice recognition, file completion, symbolic manipulation (Macsyma, Wolfram), ELIZA psychanalyser, were once called AI. Then again, I'm a 62yo (familially) third generation computer user as well as a third generation engineer. If you used Marvin Minsky's fifty year old psychanalysis program ELIZA (available in emacs as doctor; I use it for night time OCD panic attacks), ChatGPT looks awfully boring. I've used fractals (EXCEL:LOGEST) for fraud detection for four decades.

Gregory Nazianzen, the Great, tells us all creativity is divine (28:6; 1 cor 3:5-9) and denounced anti-science at Basil's funeral (42:11) as ignorant, lazy and stupid. (My namesake, Basil of Caereria, was a physician, who invented the concept of a hospital.) This may be found on p151 of the 1977 OEDB Patrsitics textbook used in high schools in Greece (Evagelos Theodorou, Anthology of Holy Fathers.) More completely from Florovsky v7 p109 "We derive something useful for our orthodoxy even from the worldly science.. Everyone who has a mind will recognize that learning is our highest good.. also worldly learning, which many Christians incorrectly abhor.. those who hold such an opinion are stupid and ignorant. They want everyone to be just like themselves, so that the general failing will hide their own"

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Ed Cryer 2 years ago

Google Books Ngram Viewer traces "AI" way back to beyond 1800, although it seems to have increased rapidly from the mid 1950s.

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can't help but wonder if many of the earlier citings are initials for things like "Andalusian Insurance" or "American Independence" or "African Iratedness" etc.

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micky 2 years ago

Maybe so. Very interesting comments from all of you.

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Paul 2 years ago

When you've got a moment (after you've fixed your clock), could you zip over and look at this question.

There's a guy who owns more Internet Radios than he knows what to do with, who is getting "disconnected" randomly.

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In a previous message, he identifies the brands of the units. "sanstrom" brand and "majority" brand. The UK seems to have had its share of these things, over the years.

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I have no idea, how the directory feature works on those, to create the list of stations.

And the other thing I don't know, is if IR has made any recent changes to the transport protocol, which might break a radio.

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The Horny Goat 2 years ago

If I thought some AI was going to harvest my personal data and do nasty things with it you bet I'd be running away hoping to win an Olympic gold medal with my speed...

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