Independance Day

Hi Clare,

Being that you come from other parts of the world, I wonder if you realize that what we Americans call "Conservative" is what the rest of the world calls "Liberal", or more specifically "Jeffersonian Liberal".

What we call "Liberal", the rest of the world calls "Socialist" (in England they are called "Labor").

Part of the battle is controlling the language. Our socialists decided they like the term Liberal better than socialist, so they stole it.

By the way, your "sound" exactly like our socialists. Stormin' is not an extremist. He is pretty much main stream. It is all about trying to control the language.

Do you hail from Mexico? If so, which part?

Of the Americans I know from Mexico (they are part of our family now and you can't have them back), they are some of the sweetest, nicest people to walk the face of this earth. (The ones that break our laws and sneak in the back door rather than knocking on the front door, you can have back.)

-T

Nope, Canadian, but have worked in Africa.(and travelled elsewhere as well)

You said something about not knowing what others believe, and then you painted all Americans with the black and white brush.

Don't take any advice from Clare!

I started my self employ business under Reagan's admin. I had a lot of work, I hired help, and life was good. It's been down hill from there. And at present, it's the worst it's been. I work alone, I'm in endless stifling debt, and I can't hardly afford to pay minimums on credit card debt because there is no work to be had.

I noticed the irony in that one too.....

I figured it was the old "rules for radicals". Accuse others of what you do. I also noticed the "Little 'c" conservative" remark too.

I have never seen such a thing in my lifetime. I want to work. Others want to work. There is nothing to be had.

Hi Guv,

Do you honestly think that was the point he was trying to make?

He was making a case for clipping an overreaching government. You know, like one that doesn't fine a contractor for not having an MSDS on file for some sun screen an employee brings to a job site, which actually happened to one of my customers. By the way, that same customer use to spend 1/2 a day on government paperwork before starting a job. Now he has to spend five days. And there has been no change in the environment for all that extra job killing paperwork. Sunscreen a dangerous toxic chemical to the environment? This is overreach.

Here is the point Stormin was trying to make:

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil. We have it in our power to begin the world over again.

Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.

That would be Thomas Paine and Common Sense (1776). His writing is why a higher percentage of our population lost their lives fighting that war than any other war in our history. His words ring true now as much as they did then.

-T

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Yes, it would be nice if everyone was "free" to drive 80 mph on my street, dump garbage in the lake or build a rendering plant upwind from my house.

Worse than Carter. Might even be up near The Great Depression.

It's interesting how libs brains work. I was watching Kristin Powers on Fox. She's usually not the most extreme lib and is even rational many times. Yet on the issue of the kids coming across the border, her position is that they are kids, we just need to accept them, and anyone who doesn't agree is heartless. On the other hand, I and I think all conservatives, immediately think about the consequences of this. If we're to accept all children from Central America, because it's not a great place to live, then why shouldn't we accept children from anywhere? How about George Soros or similar, charters some 747's and starts hauling kids from Sudan? How about war torn Syria? How about Nigeria, where Boku Haram kidnapped hundreds of girls and regulalry commits massacres? THAT has to be way worse than Honduras. So, being rational, I ask the obvious question. If it's OK for women and kids from Central America to pour in here, why should we treat a 747 landing at JFK any different? Simple answer is that they have no answer.

Why is it that libs are irrational? Or is it that they are rational, know what they are doing, and are just liars?

I've heard Russian orphanage kids are a terror.