On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 06:49:05 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Nobody said FAUX news was totalitarian. And I didn't say you would
end up with totalitarian government. With no government you have
ANARCHY which is a different situation. Under anarchy there is no
security, no rights, no "rule of law". The drug cartels of
south/central America are but one example - and "totalitarian" hardly
On Saturday, July 5, 2014 8:30:13 AM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Actually, totalitarian fits the situation in Mexico a lot more than
anarchy. Mexico has a strong, corrupt govt that pretty much does as
it pleases. And what pleases it is getting paid off and being in
cahoots with the drug cartels. The govt is enforcing laws and controlling
the country, it's just that it's exempting most of the drug cartels.
If you rob a bank or beat up someone at a bar, you get arrested, prosecuted,
so that kind of crime, which you would get away with if there was anarchy,
is controlled. The drug cartels in turn are obviously a
totaliarian organization, that brutally enforces their own set of rules
and operating procedures.
I have always considered myself a small c conservative.. I have lived
and worked in a country where the government was a lot more intrusive
than any government the USA has ever had. "Single party democracy".
You have no idea what I believe - but like a typical American you see
everything as black or white, left or right ...
Being that you come from other parts of the world, I
wonder if you realize that what we Americans call
"Conservative" is what the rest of the world calls
"Liberal", or more specifically "Jeffersonian Liberal".
What we call "Liberal", the rest of the world calls
"Socialist" (in England they are called "Labor").
Part of the battle is controlling the language.
Our socialists decided they like the term Liberal
better than socialist, so they stole it.
By the way, your "sound" exactly like our socialists.
Stormin' is not an extremist. He is pretty much main
stream. It is all about trying to control the language.
Do you hail from Mexico? If so, which part?
Of the Americans I know from Mexico (they are part
of our family now and you can't have them back),
they are some of the sweetest, nicest people to
walk the face of this earth. (The ones that break
our laws and sneak in the back door rather than
knocking on the front door, you can have back.)
Do you honestly think that was the point he was trying to
He was making a case for clipping an overreaching
government. You know, like one that doesn't fine a
contractor for not having an MSDS on file for some sun screen
an employee brings to a job site, which actually happened to
one of my customers. By the way, that same customer use
to spend 1/2 a day on government paperwork before starting
a job. Now he has to spend five days. And there has been
no change in the environment for all that extra job killing
paperwork. Sunscreen a dangerous toxic chemical to the
environment? This is overreach.
Here is the point Stormin was trying to make:
Society in every state is a blessing, but government
even in its best state is but a necessary evil.
We have it in our power to begin the world over again.
Some writers have so confounded society with government,
as to leave little or no distinction between them;
whereas they are not only different, but have different
origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government
by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness
POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY
by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse,
the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the
last a punisher.
That would be Thomas Paine and Common Sense (1776).
His writing is why a higher percentage of our population
lost their lives fighting that war than any other war in
our history. His words ring true now as much as they
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