It was exposed that MTBE was made in Canada and a certain
small investor group - turned out to be advisory panel that
voted for MTBE.
MTBE has been banned as soon as anything else was useful in the place.
California dumped it. Other states took longer but understood and
got rid it it also.
On 7/1/2013 1:34 PM, Richard wrote:
Don't think it is the toxicity but rather the persistence. In
otherwords, it doesn't break down as quickly so it can be less nasty but
for a longer period of time.
From the EPA website.
Because MTBE dissolves easily in water and does not "cling" to soil very
well, it migrates faster and farther in the ground than other gasoline
components, thus making it more likely to contaminate public water
systems and private drinking water wells. MTBE does not degrade
(breakdown) easily and is difficult and costly to remove from ground
How long will MTBE remain in water?
MTBE is generally more resistant to natural biodegradation than other
gasoline components. Some monitoring wells have shown little overall
reduction in MTBE concentration over several years which suggests that
MTBE is relatively persistent in ground water. In contrast, studies of
surface water (lakes and reservoirs have shown that MTBE volatilizes
(evaporates) relatively quickly.
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
Unlike the petroleum distillates it is in solution with, MTBE
is easily removed by, to name but one, common activated
charcoal filtration systems. The scare tactic was nothing
more than a smoke screen generated by the petroleum
refiners and distributors in a cynical attempt to misdirect
the populace (by blaming a government mandated additive)
and conceal the actual problem, leaking fuel storage tanks.
Wonder about Tahoe. It went deep into the cold and
just created a big bubble.
Maybe in shallow lakes that get mixed up all of the time
by the wind and boats - it might release itself, but I seem
to recall it was heaver than water. So agitation is required.
On 7/1/2013 4:27 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
Leases don't mean drilling. Billions of dollars were spent
on the large state size leases offshore of California. Then after
paying the government for the leases, the loonies pleaded and got
a drilling halt and forbade wells out in the water.
Large tracks are held at bay in the gulf. Some were active but shut
down after the spill. The area near Miami was rich in oil, but
it was held back because of ugly rigs in the skyline. Then Cuba / China
moved in and their rig can be seen from Miami.
MTBE dropped miles / gallon. It polluted ground water. And there is
a huge bubble of it at the bottom of Lake Tahoe.
Ethanol is hygroscopic and when a tank is a breather and not sealed,
it pulls in cool damp air at night, and condenses into the tank. This
is a common failure mode of gas now. Special ethanol additives have
been developed to trap the water and allow it to be burned. Typically
it sits and freezes - cracking small motor parts. I try to run all of
them wide open to use up the gas before letting them sit.
And taxes are more than Federal. Tax on the whole product string.
And having the Gasoline and Crude oil different commodity and have
been the souce of the 'excessive gain tax' - where the oil companies
buy crude and sell the results of their work at a much higher value
due to the demand price on gas and anti-demand on Crude.
So taxes are from many levels and many methods.
And I live in cattle, gas/oil/timber/farming area of Texas - and the
large feed mills have had prices rise (brother worked at a large mill)
and the chicken / turkey feed is up as well as dairy cattle feed / horse
and pig feed. Any product that used grain - higher gas / fuel cost -
rises the cost of feed. Supply and demand is another. Taking feed corn
to be turned into this poor example of fuel is shameful. It was easy.
Brazil has special engines. They did it correctly. Indy cars did it also.
On 7/1/2013 7:23 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 22:25:14 -0500, Martin Eastburn
What are you talking about? There have been no new offshore federal
leases issued in California since 1984. Are you talking about state
leases? Which ones?
No. There are as many oil rigs operating or contracted in the Gulf
today as were predicted for 2013 before the BP oil spill.
No. The nearest exploratory rig off Cuba is over 200 miles from Miami.
And it's Cuba and Russia, in this case. It was the last rig off Cuba's
coast. It just shut down and is being moved to South America.
I can't chase all of your claims down, Martin. Without citations, they
just aren't worth tracking.
I don't know much about the Mormons. From what little I've seen, they
tend to be pretty well educated, in general. I'm sure there are
It looks more like paleo-conservative cynicism to me. Things have to
be going wrong, and it has to be somebody else's fault -- especially
if there are any non-conservatives in power. We're on the road to
perdition and no amount of evidence to the contrary will be
It turns their minds into oatmeal and they're incapable of examining
evidence in an objective way.
Take the fine hand of the government mandating that so much ethanol must
be used in fuel each year and consider that crop yields can vary
considerably from season to season. In years of poor yield, this takes
away from the food market as ethanol is mandated and price of food goes
way up. Been happening.
As much of the crop goes into booze as into cereal:
There are more charts like this floating around the web if you're
The raw material cost of the food is overshadowed by the retailing
costs much of the time.
HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.