The only true understanding is a true interpretation.
2 corinthians chapter 3 line 6.
"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the
letter, but of the spirit:for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth
All statutes are open for interpretation, a judge in court interprets the
statute when he passes judgement, he can do no more.
It's the only due reason I give to politicians who wish to change the
present law if it is old but correct. Old English language is more
difficult for the lay person to interpret and hence to understand than
But then we are not all of the same intellect, patience or will.
I'm cross posting to uk.legal.moderated and uk.legal. just for a laff!
Before I retired I was an electronics design Engineer. I remember one
time I ran into a situation where I was wondering if the wires ought to
be soldiered before being placed into a connector. I checked with both
the vendor (probably Molex) and our manufacturing department. I
remember the answer was a resounding NO. You never soldier wires that
are going to be placed in a connector.
However, sometime around 1980, after I had just moved into the house
I'm in now, I had a problem with a three-way switch that didn't work in
my basement and the basement was completely sheet rocked. The previous
owner/amateur electrician had fouled up on the wiring. A couple of
years later, I had to remove the sheet rock underneath a cold air
return to facilitate the addition of a new room and I was able to fish
some wire through the ceiling and fix the problem. However, this
necessitated a connection that would be covered by sheet rock (no
lectures please). So I put the wires in an electrical box and twisted
them and put a light coat of soldier on them. Then I put wire nuts on
top of that. That was 25 years ago and I have never had any problems.
In regard to aluminum house wiring (single-strand), aluminum wiring is
very dangerous when used inside of a house. It's one of the easiest way
I can think of to get your house burned down. Putting copper and
aluminum together causes a corrosive chemical reaction. It's use should
be restricted to service entrance wires only and even then you should
double check to make sure the connector is marked for aluminum. As I
recall, these special connectors are marked "AL/CU".
If you happen to be unfortunate enough to have single-strand aluminum
wire inside your house, then you need to make sure that all of the
connectors (switches and outlets) are marked "AL/CU". These special
switches and outlets are relatively expensive. If you need to connect
an aluminum wire and copper wire together, there are special wire nuts
available for doing that (also expensive). There is also some
antioxidant cream available that you can use for copper/aluminum
On 6 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0800, email@example.com Gave us:
You won't see a solder creep issue with that scenario. For one thing,
the twisted SOLID strand wires cinch together fairly tightly even
before they are soldered. Then, the CONICAL wire nut will likely
always have more than enough pressure on the union for solder creep to
never be a problem. Finally, the joint itself, by your own
description only has a very light fill. For the solder creep to
become a big problem, there would have to be so much of it that the
cross sectional area of it is thick enough that solder creep could
even be an issue.
Also, solder creep also likes some constant stress be on the joint.
The twisted SOLID wire bundles likely have no mechanical stress on
them in several locations throughout the twisted assembly.
Though not spec, I see a very carefully constructed union like this
as not being a problem. That is a personal view though, and an actual
inspection would be required for me to conclude that the joints are
On 6 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org Gave us:
I agree with this. I hate Al wiring as the connections are not gas
tight, and heat more than copper nodes do.
I have also seen many folks die in Al wired commercial
establishments. The AL was not the immediate culprit. loose,
improperly install unions were. However, copper unions sporting the
same issues don't heat up as much, and would likely have never
generated the fatal problem.
The best information I have seen on making aluminum wire branch circuit
connections and fixing old installations is at:
It is based extensive research, primarily for the Consumer Product
Safety Commission, which looked at causes of failures of aluminum
connections. The paper gives detailed procedures for making different
kinds of connections and also other advice. A common theme is that
aluminum oxide is a major cause of failure and aluminum wires should
have antioxide paste applied then the wire abraded to remove oxides
before making a connection. The author specifically does not like the
Ideal #65 wire nut which, as far as I know, is the only wire nut that
has been UL listed for aluminum wire.
Aluminum oxide, an insulator, forms very rapidly on a clean aluminum
surface. Its formation is produced by the high reactivity of aluminum,
not aluminum to other metal contact.
Devices for aluminum wire are marked CO/ALR.
Correct...you do not solder wire before it goes into a
crimped connector...but you do after it goes into a solder
socket connector and there are crimped connectors made to be
soldered as well of course.
In corrosive environments, stranded wire will corrode into the
crimmped terminal and around the wire, insulating the wire
from the terminal slightly causing it to burn, then fail..
Accordingly battery cable manufacturers most often solder
their wire into the crimped terminal ends.
This practice is seen pervasively in marine environments on
both low amperage control circuits, and on power circuits.
Use of solder on power circuit terminals however has many
problems, namely the solder melting out of the joint if the
wire warms too much...and extrusion of the solder under
compressive stress if screw connectors are used.. the military
specs some are referring to cover that aspect... but not the
Use of solder in an already crimped terminal serves to
increase the electrical contact area, thats good, and to
preclude corrosive gases, vapors and oils from the joint (by
wicking up the bare wire).... that is seen commonly be the
cause of failure in those situations.
For the last 100 years... and currently.... most if not all
controls systems and component manufacturers dip wire ends in
solder that are to be fit under screw head connectors... the
practice is at least 90% common.... thats with *control
The practice is not common with power circuits for the reasons
mentioned but is still seen in some situations (primarily
corrosive environments... anyone can purchase NEC approved
soldered connectors of course for those purposes... those are
also pervasively common, especially in the electronics
Mechanical/ Electrical engineer and industrial controls
contractor since 1852 (I'm very old)
Those in the link you snipped.... any crimped connector can
be soldered or not soldered.. they are not specifically
designed to be soldered... but are solderable, and in many
corrosive environments are soldered to keep the wire from
corroding inside the crimp.
If you want the links refer to most my posts you chose to
snip or new threads Ive begun on the subject.
If the environment is corrosive, then the parts need to be
different. Got clue?
Your link was lame, dipshit.
This is ALL that applies in your touted industrial setting:
Whenever there is a soldered connection, ther must also be a cable
clamp right near it. You need a clamp around your neck. With you, it
would likely help. As it stands right now, your lifelong acquired
brain death doesn't cut it.
Roy... you have been a combination of nasty, abusive and
ignorant.... you can do better. At this point the issues of
soldered connections has been fully covered in the links
provided... you have made your abusive and ignorant nature
Not too many people Roy will be interested in further
association with you... again there are new threads on this
issue, with links and my existing posts with links on all of
these issues. Your spinning and screaming is only making
you look bad.
better that you understand no one knows everything...and that
this is merely one tiny area that you were unfamiliar with and
could or still can easily learn the new information instead of
defending your fly spec of error...we all err... it is
defending our error that ruins us.
If you spin your head around so that in your mind you are
justified with all the vile language etc, you will have
rationalized your own insanity and that will ruin your entire
life and that of anyone connected with you. Bad mistakes
you have a chance to see that and maybe just let it drop...and
do things differently in the future...your entire life will
improve if you do..and if you study up on industrial
electrical issues your income could easily double or triple.
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