Roy... you have been a combination of nasty, abusive and ignorant.... you can do better. At this point the issues of soldered connections has been fully covered in the links provided... you have made your abusive and ignorant nature fully evident.
Not too many people Roy will be interested in further association with you... again there are new threads on this issue, with links and my existing posts with links on all of these issues. Your spinning and screaming is only making you look bad.
better that you understand no one knows everything...and that this is merely one tiny area that you were unfamiliar with and could or still can easily learn the new information instead of defending your fly spec of error...we all err... it is defending our error that ruins us.
If you spin your head around so that in your mind you are justified with all the vile language etc, you will have rationalized your own insanity and that will ruin your entire life and that of anyone connected with you. Bad mistakes Roy...
you have a chance to see that and maybe just let it drop...and do things differently in the future...your entire life will improve if you do..and if you study up on industrial electrical issues your income could easily double or triple.
Phil Scott
"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:06:13 -0800, "Phil Scott" Gave us:
You are about as retarded as it gets, boy.
You are not only insulting electricians, but you think that I am one of them.
I have been working in manufacturing, in the electronics industry for
28 years, you stupid, retarded bastard. Mainly in military, space, medical, and industrial applications, so you can go f*ck yourself... oh that's right... you just did.
Said the total retard that thinks "electrons travel on the wire surface" and "stranded wire has a higher ampacity than the same size solid wire because it has more surface area"
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:23:09 -0800, "Phil Scott" Gave us:
NOT TRUE! Stop spreading FUD, you f****ng retard.
OMG, the first thing you have said that is true!
Wrong.
If the environment is corrosive, then the parts need to be different. Got clue?
Your link was lame, dipshit.
This is ALL that applies in your touted industrial setting:
IPC/WHMA-A-620
Whenever there is a soldered connection, ther must also be a cable clamp right near it. You need a clamp around your neck. With you, it would likely help. As it stands right now, your lifelong acquired brain death doesn't cut it.
"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...
I didnt say that... someone else posited the notion when asserting that soldering stranded wire into a terminal would reduce its ampacity for that reason... I merely noticed that the NEC didnt have a different rating for stranded or solid wire of the same alloy etc. even though the stranded had a greater surface area...which was the point of this persons remark.
Roy.... your behavior, trashing and spin is doing you imensely more damage than those you target, and it is doing more harm to those around you than anyone else... you are a carrier of dis-ease. ..your behavior is abusive, not the mark of a sentient person.... and the entire NG notices that....
We have posted good links and you have ignored them, chosen to spin and issue abuse, this speaks to your own lack of self respect... you have marked yourself, and its not with a badge of honor or decency..
That will not work out well for you or anyone close to you over time.
Now Roy .. I will have to leave you to your own devices.
On 10 Feb 2006 23:49:27 -0800, "RicodJour" Gave us:
There is a big difference between free speech, and posting like a goddamned retard that has never been in Usenet before.
If you had half a brain, you would be able to see that they have been just as abusive. Just because someone doesn't have the balls to use an expletive doesn't mean that they aren't spouting insults.
Then there is the issue of them not knowing what the f*ck they are talking about. Where are your posts to them for the same thing, and those from you to them about how stupid their knowledge of electronics is?
Also, this groups isn't about agreeing with someone. It is a very technical group, and their FUD doers nothing to help that. One doesn't foist one's retarded opinions on a group that is about facts.
Tell us, oh guru of knowledge... where do electrons flow in a wire?
It is either FACT or FUD, and his bullshit is FUD.
And it is you who try to teach us the conventions? I just hope there are not too many susceptible children learning these conventions from you. Maybe you have a pact with some anti-social gathering, what kind of rebel are you? Do you plan to use your 'knowledge' of electrical engineering to melt the White House? Maybe you plan to cause a short circuit in the Pentagon's power lines and run in shouting 'The President is a fucktard retarded stupid dick' while kicking your legs around and waving a copy of some goofy comic book like Viz around in the hope the Civil Servants will succumb to your superior iuntelligence and wisdom and give you control of the Senate and also the job of rewiring the place. With luck someone will plug that 4000 volt cable you have shoved up your arse into a supply cable capable of charging you with 20 amps. lol, I just hope they publish the pictures when they do.
I'll throw some ideas at you, and some titles, my apologies, I don't have any net citations (I tend to learn from books especially if it's scientific technical), but I'll quote from my textbooks. More if you wish.
Think of rubbing an ebonite rod with dry fur.
"An ebonite rod which has been rubbed with dry fur attracts light bodies, such as small pieces of paper, and it repels another rod which has been treated in the ame way. A glass rod which has been rubbed with silk also attracts light bodies, repels another glass rod which has been similarly rubbed, and attracts an ebonite rod which has been rubbed with fur."
"A negative charge placed at any point on an insulated conductor repels electrons in the material to all parts of the surface, while a positive charge at any point attracts electrons from all parts. That is, a charge placed anywhere on a conductor effectively spreads all over it, because the electrons in the material itself are free to move. Insulators do not contain free electrons, and electrons are not easily seperated from their positive nuclei; so a charge placed on an insulator does nt spread over its surface. Ebonite, glass, mica, paraffin wax, sulphur, and dry silk are among the best insulators. Dry air and dry gases generally are good insulators in ordinary circumstances; moisture in a gas or on the surface of a solid reduces the insulating properties greatly. Electric forces act *through* (itallicised in the text) insulators, which when spoken of in this connection are called
*dielectrics* (itallicised in the text)."
Think of the Gold Leaf Electroscope.
Charging by induction.
The Electrophorus.
Faradsy's "ice-pail" experiment.
Distribution of potential and charge over the surface of a conductor.
Capacity. Condensors.
Displacement currents. "Maxwell defined the displacement current as *the quantity of electricity which is caused to pass normally through one square centimetre of the dielectric on account of the electric intensity*. If there is a surface density of charge of Q ESU per sq. cm. on the plate A, a charge Q moves across each square centimetre of the dielectric from A to Z, so *the displacement D in the medium is equal to the surface density Q on the charged plate*. The electric intensity, as the cause of the displacement, is analogous to mechanical stress, and the displacement to mechanical strain. The energy stored in unit volume of a mechanically strained elastic medium is 1/2*(stressxstrain). The electrical energy stored in unit volume of the medium is similarly 1/2x(intensityxdisplacement), or 1/2ED."
(confuses my concept somewhat)
Wimhurst machine.
Van de Graff generator.
Gauss's Theorem.
- Intensity due to an isolated charge conducting sphere (pg 35)
- Intensity close to the surface of a conductor (36)
- Force on the surface of a charged conductor (36) "The charge resides entirely on the surface, and the reason why the charge on any element is held there is that all the other charges from all over the conductor combine to produce an intensity directed outwards which holds it there. Further, as there is no intensity inside the conductor, the intensity due to the charge on the element must just cancel out that due to all the other charges at points inside the surface." goes on to say "... It remains to reconcile the two results..."
Law of inverse squares.
Definition of the absolute EMU of current "that current which, flowing in an arc 1cm. long of a circle of 1cm. radius, produces at the centre of the circel an intensity of 1 oersted." "The practical unit of current, called the ampere, is one-tenth of the absolute unit. " cf pg(110 and 323)
Textbook of electricity and magnetism. G.R. Noakes MA (Oxon) F.Inst.P.
(a man who could express himself without using the word 'fucktard' or 'retard' or any other derogation I can find).
London, Macmillan. 3rd edition. 1956. Maybe the times have changed.
A study of the fuse would likely be good.
Oh and Roy, before you explode like a fool, you are sacked as a tutor. Maybe I'll write you a new standard.
I feel sorry for the Original Poster, the s**te posted in here so far may have scard him off for life. "wow, look what I've done now" he thinks as the bar-room is trashed and the ladies run for cover.
I'd be interested too, I posted what I said because of studies I did while working for Philips components; working making magnets with some really illuminating chemicals, the stuff used was hydrophilic and pyrophoric, it combusted when we poured Vmto onto it! They use our little magnets inside computer Hard Dives now. The studies weren't reqired for the job, but they were interesting none the less.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:04:45 -0000, "Billy H" Gave us:
What an idiot.
Nice cut and paste. Still doesn't show that YOU actually know anything about it. It also has nothing to do with the post topic.
You're an idiot. An electrostatically charged insulative surface can only have the electrons pulled off by contact. Not with a single point on the surface, but only by a wiping action where ALL points on the surface get touched and only when said contact is by a CONDUCTOR.
No shit. But you did not say "a conductor" you said "an insulated conductor". Big difference, idiot.
That depends on how the charge gets "placed" and where as well.
mica is the best insulator. Glass is next. "Dry silk" is an insulator but can be easily "breached" by a voltage that is not that high.
That would depend on which gas, dumbass.
However electrostatic charges behave a bit differently. Make up your mind what you are yacking off about.
It could have been a lead leaf device. Thin gold leaf just makes the effect more visible.
Not in the above device.
The triboelectric effect. Run and look that one up now.
Who is Faradsy?
If it is a conductor, it isn't merely "on the surface" unless it is in proximity to an oppositely charged device.
You're real good at the cut and paste crap, but I'd bet you have no grasp of it.
With you, the charge is always zero, because you have no potential for anything but to cut n paste other folk's material.
Hahahahaha... See... I told you. You be idiot.
You - pile of shit.
The three nerves between the two halves of your brain have fused open, lobotomy boy.
You're a goddamned retard. The discussion has NOTHING to do with electrostatics.
He probably feels sorry for you.
Then STOP!
You be idiot.
Solder is a poorer conductor than copper. Doh!
Is that why you act like you have been lobotomized?
Rare earth magnets. You, however, are not rare at all. Idiots are everywhere. You are one in ten.
Thanks for making me look so good. Maybe one day, if I ever see a reason to, I'll repay the compliment.
Oh, and the lines you cut again.
Textbook of electricity and magnetism. G.R. Noakes MA (Oxon) F.Inst.P.
(a man who could express himself without using the word 'fucktard' or 'retard' or any other derogation I can find).
London, Macmillan. 3rd edition. 1956. Maybe the times have changed.
Oh and Roy, before you explode like a fool, you are sacked as a tutor. Maybe I'll write you a new standard.
Now butt out, this is no longer your conversation.
Or do you not understand any words of the English language, never mind electricity? I'll have to assume you do not if you continue.
I recall a converstation with a friend who works for an international company. He told me you little lot cannot understand the job they do so they need send us English over to do the thing for you. Just to be sure it is done proper. You plainly are a stupid fool. Probably, and prima facie retarded, to use the word properly (and no my brain is not connected to the mains so I do not respond to postings so fast as you saddo - so I win the bet).
Were you sexually abused as a child?
Or did you get your knob stuck in the mains once or twice? Maybe that is why you know so much regards electrics.
As for copying and pasting; I learn from my elders and betters, I use time honoured and established principles, and I know why (I don't go to a reg and say, erm. I'm almost brainless but I can read so I'll do what the reg says. If I use regs it is because I must, not because it is all I can do.).
As for insults, re-read all the posts you mixed up histolluff. You'll see who needs the greater exercises in creative thought.
Call your mother, it's time you stopped sucking daddy's penis and she changed your diper.
-- Billy H
"I'm an evil Scotsman and Jock is my name, If you don't like the rules don't play the f****ng game!"
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