Conventional oil hard to find?

Mar 22, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 197 Replies

It was a while back but the complete story was I had taken the car to the dealer for the 60,000 mile check up and when I brought it in asked the cost and what it entailed and they told me to wait and they would get back to me. I waited several minutes but then my wife came to take me home and I did not get it and found out when I picked up the car. I was pissed at the cost in part as engine flush is not really required along with necessary oil and filter change. Then to find they put on a filter that I could not remove must have got me really pissed because they changed the filter at no charge.

To answer other response, I have had plumbers install items that I bought.

On 22-03-2021 23:20 mike snipped-for-privacy@address.is.invalid> wrote: I called Kirkland (Warren Distribution is the blender in Omaha Nebraska).

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(800)825-1235 x1 customer service, x1 again for customer service They called back but I missed it so I'm gonna have to try again.

Meanwhile I spent about an hour on the line with Mobil.

Mobil

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x1 (non commercial) x1 (motor oil) The guy who answered wasn't good enough so he patched me thru to the second level technical support after he pointed me to the datasheets.
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But the guy didn't know how to answer my questions about motor oil selection so he transferred me to a second level who transferred me to a supervisor after a while (which was nice of them as each knew more than the prior).

What I did while I was waiting was pullup a random Costco Mobil 1

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And pulled up the datasheet
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The 2nd level just gave me more lookup engines for personal vehicles
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For example you can put in your year make and model to find their oil
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But it pretty much suggests all their oils (not surprisingly)
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If it says Super it's a blend, if it says Mobil 1 it's full. (Except the exception of Mobil Super Synthetic 10W-30).

If it says "Extended Performance" it's high mileage (20K / 1 year). If it says "Advanced Fuel Economy" it's not for high mileage.

Basically they only gave me mostly the marketing that was on the outside. High Mileage & super blends don't meet the dexos spec. He basically said the full synthetic is better than the blends. But he said there are no rules anywhere for what constitutes what.

As an aside, he said synthetic oil finds leaks not causes them. He defended oil detergents as exposing leaks (by cleaning out gunk).

When I asked about filters he said they don't make filters. He said all Mobile oil filters are rated at 1 year 20k miles. Mobil contracts out to Mann-Hummel who also makes Wix & Purolator filters.

1-919-926-4210 (temporary covid number for Mann-Hummel) x1 product information hotline (M-F 8am to 7:30pm, Sat 9am to 5:30pm)
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Mann-Hummel didn't know the answers to the questions so they said they'd have a support person write to me over email (so I'm waiting for that).

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:33:44 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...

Maybe for foreign cars. They intend to sell you your next 10 cars. USA: They want to sell you your next car. There used to be brand loyalty. Always buy a Chevy. Fords are great, Mopars rule, blah blah, blah. That's gone.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:17:25 -0400, Wade Garrett posted for all of us to digest...

*mike* is a nym for a guy named Arlen Holder. Look up his history and decide for yourself. He likes to nit pick on really minuscule issues and then argue. I'm lucky to be in his kill file. Erudite is a good word.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:38:15 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

Sounds very tiring to me. I'm glad I am not a farmer (the world is better off), the livestock would be dead, the fields fallow, machinery in disrepair, windmill jammed, no water and the door on the privy would be falling off it's hinges.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:09:23 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to digest...

*mike* (Arlen) ain't gonna like this post. Just say'n ;)

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:38:07 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to digest...

Yup, it's Arlen. I keep reading because I look at it as humor. He plonked me a long time ago. Like the condom vending machines at the the drive-ins said: "For amusement purposes only" I can't wait for his next nym. He can't help himself. Clare you're a good guy, don't let him get to you. He seems to have that nack because you are a serious minded, no BS type. (There is nothing wrong with that!) I have come to the conclusion he is some kind of research assistant at the library with little self esteem. But what do I know? Flame on>>>

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:46:56 +1100, %% posted for all of us to digest...

Last I heard Arlen was working on a hose receptacle design with no conclusion.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:00:48 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to digest... Snipped from another post

It all depends on who specs what. Just like everything else. You want junk we'll make junk, you want best we'll make the best, but pay the price.

Remember Sears: Good, better, best? I always thought their best was none too good. And along came companion...

Nope, they havent been into the american new car every year stupidity.

Not for everyone it hasn't.

I keep reading because I find it interesting to see if he can change his persona convincingly for long. Clearly he cant.

He appears to just ignore me for a while but eventually cant manage to stop himself from responding.

It was interesting that he used to change it almost daily, then went for months with Arlen Holder and has now started changing again. He has a couple of different nyms in another group I read and was missing here for a while.

Nar, he's an older retired fella with one hell of a bee in his bonnet about some stuff. He quite literally will never use any card at all, always uses cash, obsessively changes the ID details on all his hardware to make it harder to track him electronically but cant do anything about his very distinctive style and even now the use of particular words.

He did admit to being Aspergers and that's very obvious.

A diner catering to truckers in Utah has a sign 'You kill them, we grill them.' I've wondered what they would do if you dragged in a fresh deer carcass.

Have an all you can eat venison special for the next week. Deer steak, deer stew, deer sandwich, deer soup, deer kabobs, baked deer, fried deer, grilled deer, etc ....

You're just as likely to find somebody who's stuck on Toyota or Honda or Hyundai as somebody who's stuck on Chevy or Ford. Human nature.

I am stuck on cars that last without any trouble. For the last 30 years it has been Toyota. I have only had one problem with them that was not a regular maintaince issue with all cars. That was a sensor that went bad at about 140,000 miles.

All other brands I have had except a 1981 Nissan I put 99,000 miles on before I bought a new car have given trouble with less than 50,000 miles.

I would buy another Honda. It probably wouldn't be new tho.

If it's got at least two wheels I'll drive it. The only lemon scented car I ever owned was an Audi 100LS. I assume they have improved since '71.

In 2016, I needed to replace my top of the trim line 6 cylinder Honda Accord that I had been quite happy with. I planned to buy a new Accord.

But I looked at them and they were sorely lacking in safety electronics- especially no Rear Cross Traffic Radar Alert...and the Lane Departure Warning feature was anemic. That took Honda of my Buy List and I got a Toyota instead.

I'm half in the market for a new car again and I looked at the Hondas- a brand I've owned many of over the years and usually liked a lot.

They've improved the safety electronics- but have done away with 6 cylinder sedans- replacing them with 4 cylinder turbo engines. And as with any new engine/car design, their reliability has suffered the last couple of years- so Honda is still on my no-fly list :-(

- Every time a bird craps on my car, I sit on the front porch eating a plate of wings to show them what I'm capable of.

A few years ago I was looking at new cars and wanted the horse power of the V6. HOnda only had a 4 with the turbo. I just thought the turbo was something else not needed to give trouble ,so went with the Toyota with out even going to the Honda dealer to look at a car.

Would have looked at the Nissan, but my son had bought one a few years back and the transmission went out at about 130,000. Found out that that was a bad design and they had extended the warrenty to 120,000 miles. As it was just slightly over that, Nissan would not repair it for free and cost my son about $ 4000 to get it repaired.

Are they using CVT's? That's the show stopper for me, not safety electronics. I'll admit the auto-dimming headlights seem to work well. I've triggered the collision warning a couple of times-- and I knew exactly what I was doing each time. The backuo camera is mildly useful. I wouldn't wnt to run over the cat.

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