On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:51:07 AM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
t when I had dial up internet and it was great. They are only maintaining
their service for established customers only.
I used Phonetray when I had dial up, it was a one time payment and I don't
even remember what my password was with them then I got DSL 7 or 8 years ag
o so no need for their services now. I was just quoting from their announc
ement of about 2 years ago that they would no longer be accepting new custo
mers. I don't need their services now as the ProCall Blocker stops those c
alls dead in their tracks.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:12:48 AM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
't even remember what my password was with them then I got DSL 7 or 8 years
ago so no need for their services now. I was just quoting from their anno
uncement of about 2 years ago that they would no longer be accepting new cu
stomers. I don't need their services now as the ProCall Blocker stops thos
e calls dead in their tracks.
My mistake, I did go to the website and I was wrong, no need to change your
name to Don Wiseass. I still have no need for Phonetray now.
Wow, such insight. All you did was to repeat what the prior poster wrote.
Is the goal to see how many times you can post nonsense to this thread?
Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
| in UK, silent calls are illegal, and the originator can
| suffer quite a large fine.
| If it isn't already, you could pester your councillor/senator/whatever
| to have similar legislation passed there.
We actually have pretty good protection in the US,
A few years ago there was a federal Do-Not-Call
list and also a state version where I could register
a complaint. Advertisers were not allowed to call
registered numbers. Now the state version is closed
and the federal version seems to be a joke, with no
enforcement. I probably get 2-3 junk calls per day.
I gave up complaining about them. I just use an
answering machine with Caller ID.
Citizen protection from corporate exploitation
has gone *way* downhill in the US. I just read
the other day that Google lost an effort in Britan
to stop Safari users from suing over privacy due
to Google bypassing all cookie settings to track
Apparently they hacked a Safari bug to spy on
people. Google claimed that resulting privacy
lawsuits in Britain should be thrown out because
the people spied on didn't lose any money!
I thought that was a great example of the
difference between European civility and American
corporatocracy. It's classic American thinking:
Anything that makes money can't be wrong.
Our allegedly liberal president Clinton pushed
through NAFTA, which boils down to a free ticket
for American corporations to exploit foregin labor
and avoid American labor costs. Our allegedly liberal
president Obama is now pushing a similar agreement
With friends like that, who needs Republican
We have a similarly problematic sitution with
telephone service accounts. They're no longer regulated
as a utility for all practical purposes. My own phone
company is raising my rate next month. There's nothing
I can do. I checked into it last time they raised the rate.
They're free to set any rate they like. In theory I could
switch to another company, but that company is Verizon
and the two companies keep their offerings matched.
As with highspeed cable, there isn't any real competition.
With both landlines and cellphones there's no
longer any way to actually find out what the
plans and prices are. There's no set price. It's all
devolved into a flim flam operation, like used cars.
They charge what they think they can get away
with. Here in the colonies we have to depend on the civility
of European law to police "cowboy" American corporations.
It's our only hope. :)
My experience has been the same - with two additions:
- In the very beginning, I actually got a few bucks from the
Penna Atty Genera's office: my share of a settlement resulting
from a complaint I filed.
- I now have a stack of lame-sounding letters from the same Penna
Atty General's office to the effect that, since solicitors have
moved offshore and started using VOIP there's nothing they
can do. Which I translate to either "Somebody's paid off somebody,
somewhere, to reduce the budget for these prosecutions." or
"We have an already-limited budget and we have to prioritize."
It's probably #2, but my inner misanthrope likes #1.
If the source is indeed off-shore -- that is, in another nation -- what
jurisdiction would the U.S. government or the government of any U.S.
state have in that other nation? Turn that around. If someone in the
U.S. violated a German or French patent, should those nations have the
right to go to Philadelphia and arrest someone, try him, and fine him?
Knowing absolutely *nothing* about law enforcement, my
totally-uninformed, unencumbered by any knowledge though would be honey
- Recruit a bunch of people with phones (state employees?) who agree
- Issue them special-purpose credit card numbers. There are credit
card accounts that will give you a virtual one-time-use credit
card number each time you want to buy something.... so the
control aspect is there.
- When they get a suspect call, they go the whole route.
Sooner-or-later, money changes hands and the ultimate
recipient of the money becomes the target.
If they're in the USA, done deal. Otherwise ? ....
Like I said at the start, I know nothing.
But I would bet a week's pay that if those same robocalls were
threatening some highly-placed political figure the perpetrators
would be dead or in jail within a week - maybe within 48 hours
if the figure was high enough.
Round here most of them. Might be different in the USA.
Cold calls originating in the UK are regulated by an impotent toothless
regulator and the existence of sites like "Who calls me" that names and
shames any transgressors. Typically they are solicitors soliciting and
claims firms drumming up applicants for fake whiplash claims.
However, VOIP allows the cold calling drudges to be located anywhere in
the world where labour is cheap and so bypasses all domestic controls.
Forged CLID is increasingly common too.
Many phones offer blocking known chunks of bad behaviour and some phone
services here allow blocking of individual bad numbers (optional extra).
| But not forged very well, so CID is still useful. The junk is often
| obvious like "V2345679845". Do you know anyone with that NAME?
I've had calls from myself and last week I had a
call from directory assistance. :) Most calls I get
at least seem to be local, but I don't pick up unless
I recognize the caller ID, so I'm not really sure.
I saw an interview recently with the man who started
nomorobo. He said something to the effect that
"if a halfwit like me can easily compile a blacklist
of phone numbers the government could certainly
do it." Good point.
I haven't gotten one of those, maybe since I seldom answer junk calls. I
think if I got one of those calls I'd be suspicious about how someone
knew so much about MY computer.
I have gotten junk calls for home security systems, extended vehicle
"warranties", and credit cards.
As to answering machine messages, most of these callers don't leave
messages, although I have gotten unintelligible sounds (like too many
people talking) and dial tone. The few that do usually DON'T wait for
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