I have a cash account at the local O'Reilly , plus have gotten to be
friends with the main counter guy/ass't mgr and the manager . I'm a good
percentage below jobber price , and they'll match the WM across the street
on oil prices .
I from now and then go to a wrecking yard called "you pick" We
can bring our own tool or rent tools there. Once my wife's Mitsu.
AWD mini wagon windshield wiper transmission ass'y needed a replacement.
I went there and found an identical vehicle, I took out the whole ass'y.
Cost 20.00. They lined up the wrecked cars by brand and model. Fun place
to go. It all depends on what you need. Some eBay sellers have good
reputation. Also eBay protects your money in case you got bad stuff.
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560
"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.
In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:
Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500
How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.
I've decided to go with a NAPA starter so I won't have to wait and can change it this weekend.
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On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:27:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
Crank-n-Charge is the name of the seller's store, and the name he uses
when he posts a listing. It doesn't say anything about what he is
selling, anymore than the names Pep Boys or NAPA determine what they
No contradiction at all.
But is this specific starter on their store website? The ones I
found were for alfa romeo, grand marquis
If only one model of starter were following "replaces" I'd agree with
you. But I'm not sure it applies when there is a list of various
makes that follows.
It also says in the ad,
Manufacturer Part Number: 28100-00100-84, 28100-0C010
Interchange Part Number: 228000-3740, 228000-3742, 228000-3743
All of these look like Denso part numbers.
Still your argument has merit.
It's hard to keep a database totally up to date. They may get their
individual ads out as quick as possible even if they don't get them
totally xrefed, including xrefing the Replacment numbers, in the store
listing. Wikipedia searches often don't find pages they actually
have. I see this other places too.
On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:33:11 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
Yes it does, when he puts Crank-n-Charge in the field of the listing for
"manufacturer". The manufacturer isn't the Ebay seller. It would be
pretty dumb to be selling a Denso, Bosch, etc
and do that. Who does that? Vendors selling cheap Chinese knockoffs as
their own house brand. A vendor selling a real Denso would put Denso in
that field. And they also would typically put it in the title, in the pic,
etc. to show that they really are selling a Denso.
BS. It clearly says two different things in the listing. And from looking
at a lot of these listings over the years, when the manufacturer's field has
the seller's business name instead of the manufacturer, it's a cheap knock-off. But go ahead and buy parts like that if you like.
On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:33:11 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
Your post is "confusing" because you have responded to some of what
trader_4 said and some of what I said. I am not going to reply in line
because of that, I'll just address *my* individual items below.
I don't think you understand what it means when a seller (not just an
eBay seller) quotes a manufacturer's part number on their website. It
simply means that they are offering a part that *replaces* the following
manufacturer's part/part number, not that it is the the OEM part.
In other words, "Our P/N 456123 replaces Denso P/N's 7899879, 123321".
It is not all that odd for a single part number from an aftermarket
dealer to replace a number of OEM part numbers. Sometimes the only
difference in an OEM part from year to year is who *they* sourced the
part - or sub part - from. This could even happen within the same model
year. By assigning a different part number to parts from different
sources, they can keep better track of costs and quality.
e.g. Maybe one OEM starter has a case made by Fung Ye Castings and
another OEM starter has a case made by Nebraska Bob's Metal Shop.
An after-market starter, such as one from crankncharge, could easily
have a single part number that replaces both of those OEM parts
because there really is no difference other that who supplied the
case to the OEM.
As far as the search engine at crankncharge, you said:
"It's hard to keep a database totally up to date."
It has nothing to do with their data bases, it's all about the
Search Engine itself.
Search for Denso
"Your Search for "Denso" did not match any products
Did you mean: denim"
Now search for denim
"Your Search for "denim" did not match any products"
We know for a fact that Denso appears on their website multiple
times. I'm pretty sure that they don't carry any "denim" parts.
It's a search engine issue, not a "can't keep the data base up
to date" issue.
You asked "How DID he find it?"
I don't know who the "he" you are referring to is, so I can't answer
that question. You will note however that I didn't refer you to a page
for your specific starter, because I couldn't figure out how to
search for it. I searched for Toyota, but that failed; I searched for
Denso but that failed too. At that point, I just grabbed a generic
starter to try and make my point about the aftermarket vs. OEM
part numbers, as well as their crappy search utility.
Alas, this is the 8th article in this NG that got posted
I had decided it was in error and wasn't going to post it, at least
not without major changes.
I'm really sorry for the time you spend replying to it. but I don't
know what I can do about that.
Originally I said 7, because there were 7 at the bottom of this list,
but later, looking at the Sent mailbox, I noticed there were 8. The
others were the first post in their respective threads so they sorted
at the bottom, but this was a reply, so it sorted where I didn't see
Note the submission time, 3:32AM EST, same time as the other 7.
I bought the good one from NAPA, and it comes with a lifetime warranty
from any NAPA store on the US.
As for ordering parts online, I have and will continue to order name
brand parts from Amazon, but not ebay.
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:48:39 AM UTC-5, Jon Danniken wrote:
The warranty is another aspect worth considering. Many of the auto parts
stores, eg NAPA, Advance, Autozone, etc have lifetime warranties on some
of their parts, including rebuilt. You still have to factor in some
judgement, how difficult the part is to replace, if you're doing the
work or paying someone. For example, recently I needed to replace the
starter on my BMW X5. It's in the worst location I've ever seen. You
actually need two people to work a ratchet with a 3 ft extension running
over the top of the tranny to get to it. One person, can barely feel
the socket and guide it with a flex joint onto the bolt. The other
person is at the ratchet end to work it. You also have to remove all
the intake system up to the throttle body. Given that, I found a
genuine Bosch to put in even though it cost substantially more than
I could have gotten a rebuilt one with a lifetime warrany from an auto parts
store for. If you read online, there are a lot of people saying that
they've taken several starters, alternators, etc back, getting a
replacement every couple years, because they fail. Also, if it's sold
under a house brand label, they probably can be using multiple sources
for the part, changing suppliers, etc.
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 1:00:01 AM UTC-6, dangerous dan wrote:
I dealt here for a MAF sensor: Hitachi part (new-same as OEM), US warehouse, good communication, and guaranteed. Saved about one-third the cost at the discount auto stores.
I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?
I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.
I was going to buy from NAPA, they thought they had one, then discovered they didn't. I had to drive twenty miles and get one from O'Riley's. The only other option was a local auto parts store could have gotten one brought in from 100 miles away, and I would get it tomorrow.
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