A thoughtful viewpoint from an Australian........ gun nuts won't be (2025 Update)

Bad as it is, she does not have to be here in the first place.

People worry so much about the gun deaths, but sweep under the rug that in the US slightly over 100 people die every day in car accidents. Hard telling how many get injured really bad.

Looks to me like there needs to be much more thought into how to prevent car accidents and road rage.

It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

Part of the problem is they lump gang disputes after hours near a school as a school shooting. When you look at the actual numbers of what these people fear, it is a pretty remote thing. The kids do have a higher chance of being killed walking to school or riding with Mom in a traffic accident.

Yeah, well, people die from cancer and fires too. Following that bizarre logic, we shouldn't take simple measures to reduce needless deaths where we can. The car accident case is a bad example, because we have passed new laws, used new enforcement techniques and substantially reduced the deaths and accidents from drunk driving. That plus safer cars have lowered the accident rate. Time to do the same with guns.

Thanks for representing for the ignorant gun nuts. The number of people dead from acid attacks? Zero. The total number that have been injured in the UK is about what we have in persons shot in just one holiday weekend here in Chicago.

More lame attempts at diversion. Wake up. We have a serious gun problem here, no matter how you count it.

When you look at the actual numbers of

Sure, so let;s ignore it, like your state does. With all the dead after Parkland, Orlando, still no permit process with a real background check before you can walk into a store and buy whatever you want. Why? Because gun nuts insist that's their right, that they have to be able to buy guns on the spur of the moment, just like they buy their Bud and cigarettes. They refuse to allow a permit process where the local police do an actual background check, BEFORE someone can buy a gun. And your brilliant governor, in the wake of all the dead kids, who made all kinds of promises, what did he say last week after the Pensacola shooting? "I didn't know that foreigners here with a visa could buy a gun". He's a Republican and it;s guys like him that are standing in the way.

Rate and numbers just slightly in the last 20 years.

Still slightly over 100 dead each day on the roads on the average.

The rate is important to consider too. Progress 1.58 in 1998 to 1.13 in 2018. Go back another 20 years and it was 3.26 and still another 20 it was

Factor in the law of diminishing returns, we've done well and are getting better. How many school shootings did you hear about in 1958? I don't think we've done as well there.

Numbers can be manulipulated in many ways.

The US has about 4,000,000 miles of roads. England has 213,000 miles. That is 18 times , so 18x5= 90. Close enough.

Another way is that would be hard to find out is how many miles or the ammount of time each country spends on the roads.

I have never been to England, so how many actually drive and how many miles ? The TV shows lots riding bikes. However in large cities in the US many seem to ride subways and such. In the area I live in there are some city busses,but out in the country there is none, so most drive.

What I know of the UK is that most live in cluster or town houses very close together. We have that too in the cities but our suburbs are much larger with mostly single family homes. Think it is the same for the rest of Europe.

My last visitor from the UK ran around my house taking pictures of the house and grounds. I took him to my shooting club where he had a ball. He had me take a picture of him shooting to show his wife and son. He said his wife would hate it but his son would love it.

Most of the shooting deaths in the US are in the cities with drug dealers shooting themselves up. You know how bad it is in Chicago and gun laws are strict. The people shooting each other are largely those not permitted to own guns.

These same drug dealers have cause od deaths to skyrocket with their fentanyl lace heroine. Might mention that our past president was pardoning them for committing victimless crimes.

Chicago is just drug dealers shooting other drug dealers. Think of it as a cleansing of the gene pool.

So the guns flow to Chicago from states that have lax gun laws. In NJ, 80% of the guns used in crimes are traced to out of state. Cousin Shawanna who lives in FL walks into a gun store and buys all the guns she wants, she's not a felon. Would Shawanna go to the local police dept and apply for a permit to buy 6 guns, knowing that they are going to do a real background check?

That too - but outright mass murder you will have to admit is more shocking - The "yes but" defence is bullshit and EVERY american - regardless of their political stripe, KNOWS it is.

There's your "yes but" bullshit defense again. Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use - they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and one purpose only - to kill people

Because in the US they need them (or feel they do) while in the UK they are the last thing in a parent's, or student's, or teacher's mind.

Neither is Israel or Switzerland, both countries with armed citizens.

Don't know much do you? Automatic weapons have been illegal in the U.S. for a very long time. Snowflakes such as yourself define "assault weapons" as "big scary-looking gun" regardless of whether it is functionally any different than a garden-variety hunting rifle.

The group that kills the most people with military weapons are governments. You and other leftist asswipes, particularly subjects of the British Crown whose lives are owned by the Crown and can be killed at a whim at any time by any member of the Royal Family for any reason, have proposed nothing that will disarm these dangerous psychopathic killers. Governments have killed many more people than all the private-sector criminals and crazies ever have.

Look here Lefty, the gun is only the proximate cause. The real cause is that there are so many deranged *male* teens in the US willing to actually murder someone. Why? I never had those thoughts back in school.

So what is causing this insane behavior? Is it a drug reaction? Vitamin/mineral deficiency? Pesticide residue? Gut biome out of whack? Lack of proper parenting? Genetic defect? Were these kids damaged by a doper mom while still in the womb? We need to figure out WTF is going on and then fix the real problem.

In the mean time, keep your lefty fingers off my collection.

Highway deaths per year in the USA have dropped every year except 14 since 1970, with the deaths per 100,000 population dropping from 25.6 in 1970 to 11.4 in 2017

What are the statistics for gun deaths in the same period? Defining a "mass shooting" as one involving 4 or more targets, the rate trippled from one iver 200 days between 1982 and 2011 to one every 64 days. between 2011 and 2014. This is occurrin against the backdrop of a 50% REDUCTION in firarm homicides overall since 1993.

A report by USA Today tracked all mass killings (4 or more at a time) between 2006 and 2017 - using firearms - and counted 271 incidents with a body count of 1358. Bloombergs "everytown for gun safety" reported 110 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which at least four people were murdered with a firearm, between January 2009 and July 2014; at least 57% were related to domestic or family violence. When you expand the definition to 4 deaths OR INJURIES the count climbs quickly. I believe it was the Washington Post reported in 2015 alone, there had been 294 mass shootings that killed or injured 1,464 people.

As far as "school shootings" go, from 2000 to 2009 there were 60 school shootings - with only 2 being multiple homicides -a total of

Move on to 2010-2014 and we have somr 89 mass school shootings, with a body count of some 86 dead and 117 injured.

Jump ahead to 2015 to 2019 and we have 120 school shooting incidents with a body count of some 106 dead and 243 injured.

All of these shootings occurred on school property or at school sanctioned events - while NOT all involved students or staff.

It is still a SHOCKING escalation. 6 incidents per year from 2000 to

The school shooting death rate per year has doubled between the first period and the last - that is a span of 20 years. The injury rate has gone up by 375% in the same period the motor vehicle death rate has dropped from 14.86 per 100,000 in 2000 to approxemately 11 per 100,000 in 2019 - more than a 25% DECREASE. So the "yes but" defence is TOTAL BULLSHIT

Now before someone righteously calls me out and says 1'm not comparing "apples to apples" I admit one is the rate per 282.2 million in 2000 and per 329.2 million in 2019, while the other is rate per 100,000 which makes the school shooting rate look aproxemately 3000 times worse - but the comparison between the RATE OF CHANGE and DIRECTION is still valid. The TREND is scary - you HAVE to admit!!!!

How many miles of road travelled in the UK compared tohow many in the US?

Would be interesting to figure out passenger miles and compare on THAT basis - - - -