On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:18:00 -0700, carie email@example.com wrote:
BTW, in practice, I don't think the guy's certifications matter. I
guess that's why I skipped this part before. He's the guy the
landlord or the AC contractor chose to send. If I were the AC
contractor, I'd want to hire someone with certification**, and if he
is going to recharge the system, I gather he must have certification,
but one can know just as much without certification as with, and the
important thing is that he diagnose the problem correctly. I don't
have much AC experience but I"ve been misdiagosed over the years by 4
medical doctors with certification, 2 of them specialists, so
certification doesn't impress me anymore.
**although if I had someone I knew knew AC, and he didn't have cert,
but was cheaper to hire, and he wasn't going to be the only tech, I'd
hire him too. He can diagnose and do other repairs, and if it needs
recharging, I'll send the certified guy.
Within a reasonable time, of learning it's not working properly. I
think that is the law in all US states, unless the lease says
something different, which it most likely doesn't. NYC and many
places have more specific laws about providing heat, but I think not
about providing AC.
I didn't suggest anything underhanded at all, on the part of the
repairman or the landlord. What words are you referring to where you
think I did?
It's often hard to get a good answer out of a repairman, whether you
are paying the bill or someone else is, and I'm not quite sure why**,
but I don't think there is anything underhanded about it, except in a
few cases that I don't think apply to you. They don't apply to you
because he's not working for you, he works for the landlord. They
probably don't apply to the landlord either, because all but the
smallest landlords are a source of repeat business for contractors.
**Probably IMO the biggest reason is, if he's not the boss of the
repair company, he doesn't want to make decisions that his employer
has the power and right to make. He doesn't want to get caught in the
middle between the customer and his boss, so he tells his boss what
the situation is, and the boss deals with the customer. In this case,
with a landlord/tenant, even if the repairman is the boss of his own
company, he won't want to get caught between his "employer", the
landlord who hires him, and the tenant. But this is not underhanded.
It's totally reasonable. And the consequences when someone does get
caught in the middle are often more than enough to keep him from ever
letting it happen again.
Pretty much the only way out of this, afaict, for the customer is to
seem like a regular guy who won't make a stink if the boss later
contradicts the employee, or the landlord contradicts the contractor,
because a regular guy understands that the boss is the boss, and the
employee can't actually make committments. Once one gives that
impression, he has to actually live up to it, or he, or she, is a
scoundrel and dishonorable.
I"m not talking about accepting shoddy work. I'm talking about asking
the guy who comes to your house what the problem is, and how long it
will take to fix it, and whether it is worth repairing it or not, and
then if and when the boss or the landlord gives one different answers,
saying, "Well the guy who was here says yada yada which contradicts
you." One shouldn't say that.
Unless it is a literal life and death matter, and I can't imagine how
that could be, one shouldn't do that. It doesn't matter what the guy
tells you when he's there. It only matters that the AC gets fixed,
and nothing the repair man SAYS to you has any effect on that.
If the guy tells you something and the boss or landlord tells you
something else, one should just suck it up and not get the guy in
trouble. If you get him in trouble -- even if he doesn't get in
trouble, but he knows a customer quoted him when the boss said
something else -- he'll never tell another customer a thing.
You may never know for sure who is right. Them's the breaks. Maybe
the techician made a mistake, and somehow the boss knows it without
even seeing the jobsite. Maybe the boss or landlord knows something
the repair guy doesn't know. Maybe the landlord plans to replace the
whole system in a year or two**, but doesn't want to say that or the
tenants will hold him to it, even if he doesn't have as much money as
he thinks he will (like if one or two apartments are unexpectedly
vacant for a while) It's not at all necessary for either to be lying
or underhanded for them to say different things.
**Maybe the landlord plans to sell the building in a year or two and
isn't willing to do all the repairs he should. I'm not saying every
landlord does everything he should or that every repairman always does
everything right. But I have no reason to think and didn't suggest
that there was anything underhanded in this case.
yeah, youll get a lot more bee's with honey "honey"
wrong attitude to have is one of snottiness and arrogance,
nothing pisses me off faster on a call than having somebody who already
"knows" whats wrong with it , if you knew , why are you calling me ?
anyway , i would guess you have a "leaker"
having been in the rental business , i can tell you that most recureent
problems with rental ac, are leaks ,
if the filters are clean ,coils are clean , and everything is running ,
from the sounds of it , they came a while back and it worked for a while
now its not cooling again.
cant say for certain cuz i cnat see it or lay hands on it ,
but again having worked in that business for a while , i'd bet even money on
and hate to say this , but ,
your landlord probably wont spend a dime more than he has to,
a two ton unit should be plenty to cool 800 sq ft
if you can get the "handyman" to tell you what he does ,
then act on it , if he just "puts some freon in it "
and its down again , then you know what the problem is ,
and seriously , sometimes in apartment buildings its cheaper to just gas em up
than try to find the leak . since its often in a sweated together joint thats
buried in a wall somewhere ,
best suggestion i hear yet , was to buy a window unit , and screw it .
but sweetheart , your not gonna get much help or advice in here
with the current "tude" you have seen to have taken,
read the above , thats all you can do, thats all you could know
without doing this everyday like most of us in here ,
and b.t.w , if you'll read the charter on this ng
it was origianlly intended to be forum for the exchange of ideas and
by and for those professionally engaged in the hvac-r industry
not a clearinghouse for homeowners, wannabe's and weekend warriors.
Good Luck! Now go Eat your Curds and whey and leave us alone .PLEASE !!!!
Even that I would not call underhanded.
adv. In a sly and secret way.
adj. Marked by or done in a deceptive, secret, or sly manner;
dishonest and sneaky. See Synonyms at secret.
Not doing something at all or hiring the cheapest guy is not clever
enough to be sly, and almost no landlord says how much he pays for
My landlord finally had both elevators overhauled -- the repair guys
were there for days -- so they never broke again while I was there,
and must have spent a bundle, but he didn't tell us how much even when
he spent a lot.
btw that would moot, not mute :)
I get it just fine, IMO you're missing the point of "tangential"
comments in some of the posts..............
We were merely harping on the fashion in which the original
information was conveyed....poorly.
when she originally talked about running for "hours" it was unclear
as to whether she was being accurate (that the unit had in fact been
running for 7 hours) or exaggerating, like many non-technical people
I've had a tenant tell me .......... "the heater's been running for a
long time & the house is still cold"
well the truth of the matter was 28F outside, 50F "soak" temp & the
heater had been running for not quite 2 hours
nothing wrong with the furnace, unrealistic expectation on the part of
its the details that matter..........
Actually you did miss it...in my first post I told her
"Clearly your AC unit is not working........"
much more information in that line than in all of your posts.......
I must have missed your revealing diagnosis when you pronounced it
because it was camouflaged by your bile.
btw have you figured out mute vs moot? :)
too bad you're not mute
Well done,every one of your replies did not address the content of
post to which you replied...must take a fair amount of effort to do
No substance, just insults & name calling ......keep up those
Next will it be "your mom dresses you funny" ?
or the always rather powerful "you suck"
OR "you're an IDIOT"
oh, wait...you used that shining example of originality
Come on now....is that the best you can do? :)
remember no references to actual post content.
Try a bit harder, you're not reading carefully enough....I merely
suggested she use noon & midnight instead of 12pm & 12am to avoid
I certainly do know how many operating hours it takes to generate a
$320 month's electric bill...
you know.......... tons, btu/hr, kilowatt-hrs, efficiency ........
all that REALLY complicated technical stuff that ONLY big bad HVAC
techs know.... :)
It's only HVAC, it ain't rocket science.....don't kid yourself that's
its harder than it is.
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