It could be that a neigbhor is using her electricity. There was a
case on tv like that just last week. And oh yeah, there was a
follow-up in this newsgroup just last week where another tenant was
was using the poster's electricity, and had been for months, since he
So she could have two separate problems, the bill and the lack of
But I believe the AC is broken and it alone is using the electricity,
and still we need to know details. She''s the one who wanted to
prepare before the repairman came. This is not a case of "it's too
difficult for you. Why investigate? Call the repairman." The
repairman is coming but she wanted to be prepared for him.
Indeed. This by itself isn't much information. I'm no expert, but I
know that A/C units need to be properly sized for the load. (If a
unit is oversized, bad things happen like either excessively short
cycle times or uncomfortable temperature swings, and maybe problems
with humidity regulation.) What this means is that on the hottest
few days of the year, the A/C *should* run a lot. If I understand
correctly, it is perfectly reasonable behavior for your A/C unit to
run for "hours" on the hottest few days of the year.
Now, combine that with the fact that the large parts of the Western
US have been experiencing a heat wave. There may be record high
temperatures where you live. Or maybe not; you might not live in
one of those areas that is experiencing record highs. We don't have
The $320 electric bill is a sign, but it's not really proof of anything.
There was a guy who posted to misc.consumers.frugal-living only a few
weeks ago whose electric bill at a small office suite was through the
roof, even though he was only there a few days a week and turned
everything off when he left. Turned out a neighboring office suite
had been accidentally wired through his meter!
So, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to quantify "hours".
(On the other hand, the flame fest that this thread has turned into
the $320 light bill is from LAST MONTH, and has nothing to do with the
current heat wave.
The OP needs to either A) be climbing the landlords ass tot get it fixed, or
B) pony up the cash and hire a pro to fix it.
Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
on for almost twenty hours.
Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
midday) which would also be midnight.
On Jul 7, 8:24 am, email@example.com wrote:
I know how to tell time I wasn't sure YOU did based on the problem
solving skills you have displayed thus far
noon or midnight eliminates any possible confusion as does "seven
hours" vs "hours" :)
the more humble & helpful (clearly posed questions) you appear the
more likely you'll get help
I know you're frustrated having a problem that you don't have the
skills or resources to address but pissing off people who could
possibly help you isn't a good idead.
my A/C works fine (& I know how they work)
I don't have to ask for help from a bunch of abuse a$$'s in alt.hvac
I don't live in an 800 sq ft apt at the mercy of some cheap landlord
stop whining & get a window unit.......you've already pissed away more
than the cost of a unit on electricity
have a nice day :)
I have a high school (and college) diploma. Yet, I don't think everything
I heard in high school (or college) is automatically true. In particular,
2000 wasn't the first year of the new millenium, and 12:00 PM is not noon.
Here's an explanation of why:
Note that this comes from NIST, the National Institute of Standards
and Technology, which is the US federal government agency responsible
for standardizing measurements. These are the people who operate
NIST-F1, the atomic clock which is the primary reference for timekeeping
in the United States, and one of the primary references worldwide.
This is so on-point, I think it deserves to be quoted. Also, I don't
think there can be copyright issues with government websites info, all
of which should be in the public domain"
Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?
This is a tricky question. The answer is that the terms 12 a.m.
and 12 p.m. are wrong and should not be used.
To illustrate this, consider that "a.m" and "p.m." are
abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean
"before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Noon is neither before
or after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor
"p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12
hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m.
or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be
ambiguous as to the date intended.
When a specific date is important, and when we can use a 24-hour
clock, we prefer to designate that moment not as 1200 midnight, but
rather as 0000 if we are referring to the beginning of a given day (or
date), or 2400 if we are designating the end of a given day (or date).
To be certain of avoiding ambiguity (while still using a 12-hour
clock), specify an event as beginning at 1201 a.m. or ending at 1159
p.m., for example; this method is used by the railroads and airlines
for schedules, and is often found on legal papers such as contracts
and insurance policies.
===> I've heard this before.
If one is referring not to a specific date, but rather to
several days, or days in general, use the terms noon and midnight
instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. For example, a bank might be open on
Saturdays from 8 a.m. to noon. Or a grocery store might be open daily
until midnight. The terms "12 noon" and "12 midnight" are also
correct, though redundant.
====> On July 3, I was a at a supermarket that had a temporary sign,
and someone had written "Open July 4, 7AM to 12AM, and then it had a
dark P written over the second A.
I liked it better when it was the National Bureau of Standards. They
keep changing names and confusing me. (I'm just going to call the INS
"la Migra" so I don't have to worry when it changes names.)
I'll tell you how I remmeber this, and how I think it arose. The
moment of noon is neither before noon or after noon, but the
59.999999999...... seconds after that are after noon, and yet still
part of the minute that is 12:00. (and part of the second that is
12:00:00.) So even though all but the tiniest bit of the minute is not
noon, most of 12:00 noon is PM.
I'll have to admit that makes a lot of sense. The time exactly one
minute after noon is 12:01PM. If noon has to be called either 12:00PM
or 12:00AM, then out of the two, 12:00PM is the much more logical
choice since it would be wacky for 12:00AM to be followed immediately
However, it is still not very good terminology since (a) the literal
meaning of "12:00AM" is nonsensical and (b) there is already a
perfectly good word ("noon") to describe the concept. On the other
other hand, it is convenient for digital clocks to be able to read
"12:00PM" instead of "noon", which is a good argument for defining
12:00PM to be noon. On the other other other hand, there are various
authorities whose opinions should matter, and they don't seem to all
agree on any one thing.
Yeah, you're right there. I'm very literal myself, and this sort of
thing usually matters a lot to me. I think maybe this time I came at
it already humbled and ready to give in.
But that is what makes it difficult to learn the convention.
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