mm & Logan-
Of course you two are correct in your analysis of whether noon is
12am or 12 pm
my original point was that 12am or 12pm can be (& is) confusing
depending the understanding writer & the reader
but noon & midnight are unmistakable to all.......
12:00am in used instead of 12:00pm only around 2 times in 1,000.
See my post on that elsewhere in this thread:
Since you were too stupid to understand it the first time, let me repeat
it for you:
YOU ARE AN ANNOYING AND SELF DEFEATING FOOL.
Watching a train wreck happening in slow motion can be entertaining.
You have ceased being entertaining.
YOU ARE NOW MERELY AN ANNOYING AND SELF DEFEATING FOOL..
I your AC working yet?
Didn't think so.
Sorry, 12:00PM is not noon.
I do have a high school diploma (and several others including post-graduate
degrees). English IS my native tongue, although I can get along in a few
others, including Pig Latin and Morse Code. And, before you ask, I have been
to parts of South Georgia.
Sorry if I seemed pedantic or persnickety.
Because more than 1 person is disputing whether 12:00 PM is noon, I
decided to do some looking.
TvGuide.com uses it.
So does DHL, a major delivery compay. They have a service called ""DHL
Next Day 12:00pm"
Fedex uses it too (search Google: "12:00 pm" site:fedex.com )
Then there's the loads of radio and TV stations that use it
Here's one: The TV series "24" - where each episode covers one hour.
Better idea. Who on Google uses "12:00 PM noon" as opposed to "12:00
AM noon?" -The searches below also match with "p.m." and "(noon)",
the search is for a string, not words anywhere in a document.
"12:00 PM noon" matches "about 195,000" documents on Google
"12:00PM noon" matches "about 32,700"
"12:00 AM noon" matches about 436
"12:00AM noon" matches about 49
Total documents using "12:00pm noon" or "12:00 pm noon" = 227,700 /
228,185 = 99.8%
Total documents using "12:00am noon" or "12:00 am noon" = 485 /
228,185 = 0.2%
So (roughly) 2 people in 1000 think that 12:00am means noon. (The
margin of error with this is not significant enough to matter.)
That should settle this, but of course it won't...
Ever watch a digital watch change from 11:59:59 AM to 12:00:00 PM?
Or how about this - what is 3-2? Of course it is 1. What I mean is
that at 12:00:00PM half the day has already, at that instant, passed,
and it is now the beginning of the second half of the day.
I could care less what some guy says on some government website. If we
lived in a universe where time could move backwards, then that
would make more sense.
But you hold that FedEx, a 24!, and, most importantly, TV Guide are somehow
kept under glass at the National Bureau of Standards as exemplars of
Your observations are, however, excellent! I blame the school systems. Heck,
in my state 60% of high school biology teachers (according to a recent
survey) believed that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries!
Science and standards are not subject to majority vote (except in the case
of global warming), so whatever "votes" you discover are meaningless. Well,
there is obviously a nuggest of truth in the numbers, but that nugget has
nothing to do with the subject matter.
Your searches (12:00AM noon, et al) were wrong. There is no such thing in
the real world as "12:00AM noon." 12:00 a.m and noon are contradictory -
they cannot both exist at the same time. Likewise "12:00 p.m. and noon" are
also mutually exclusive.
But because something cannot exist does not mean you won't find Google
references. Heck "living+dead" resulted in almost 90 million hits,
"black+white" yields almost 400 million events, "catholic+atheist" shows
over 2 million instances!
An appeal to Google as an arbiter of physical standards is not the epitome
of scientific rigor.
Ignorance can be fixed. It's knowing something that's wrong that's a shame.
You think that Google has an opinion on this matter??? You think
Google is not indexing pages that contain "12:00am noon" for purposes
of squewing results??? This may have something to do with your not
understanding my analysis.
You say 12:00am and noon are contradictory. Yes. That's the point.
You say 12:00pm and noon are mutually exclusive. You don't know what
mutually exclusive means if you also think 12am and noon are
contradictory. Elementary logic 101. Mutually exclusive means both
can't be the case at the same time, like being pregnant and not being
pregnant at the same time. This lack of logical ability and lack of
grasping the meaning of commonly used phrases (mutually esclusive)
could have something to do with your not understaing my analysis.
(If you are going to come back and say you think 12:00am and 12:00pm
are both contradictory to noon (it appears you may believe mutually
exclusive means redundant, but I can't read your mind), then you need
to look up contradictory. Just letting you know so you can do that in
advance of replying.)
On a related note: "12:00pm" and "12:00 pm" match about 24,180,000
documents. "Mutually exclusive," which you used even though you don't
know what it means, matches about 2,240,000 documents, far fewer. Do
you see the point? You used something much less common than "12:00 pm"
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