Urgh! Actually, he didn't accuse you of being an unreasonable person. He
suggested that your neighbours might *think* you were. There was no
suggestion or even implication that they might be right. Actually, judging
by their suggestion that you go into their yard and trim the vine, they
sound a little loopy anyway, so maybe they believe 3 or 4 ridiculous things
Since it only takes 5 minutes, just walk over there and trim it. If you
think they're really picky, ask one of them to come out and tell you if it's
done the way they like it. Of all the neighbor problems you could have, this
is like a .25 on a scale of 0 through 10. Don't make it worse. As far as
them "drinking your wine", you invited them, right? They probably figured it
would be good to broach the subject when everyone was loosened up a bit.
Shall I tell you about my neighbor, who thought it was OK to let their
ChemLawn moron hose down my vegetable garden with pesticides, and how I was
prepared to get an injunction from our town justice, which would've directed
the cops to arrest the neighbor if the spraying actually took place? That's
an 8 on the scale. A convicted child molester moving in next door - that's a
These same neighbors have complained about my oaks and elms dropping leaves
into their yard each fall, and of shading their pool too much during the
summer. Personally, I think they are a pain in the ass, but I want to hear
what others think.
You're right though... at the end of the day, this 'problem' is only a minor
Sounds like if there's rain with a little wind coming from your direction,
they'll say it's YOUR rain overwatering their yard. These people need a
condo, not a house. Are they the kinds of wankers who case 3 leaves around
the yard with a leaf blower for 8 hours straight?
Actually, Doug, they do have leaf blowers - two of them. They also have two
cars, one pickup truck, two ATVs on a trailer, one boat on a trailer, one
house trailer, and two snowmobiles... most of which are scattered around
their property in what used to be a nice neighborhood.
In this case, yes, they *are* being over-picky. A reasonable person
doesn't expect anyone to control where leaves drop or shade falls. In
most places, they are legally entitled to trim tree branches that
overhang their property, but not require that you regulate the wind
I wouldn't risk trespassing on the property of people loony enough to
prefer a stark ugly chainlink fenced to vines. I think what you need is a
pleasant natural wooden fence of your own. six feet tall, against which
you can grow five kinds of vines if you like, PLUS you will never again
have to look at that ugly-ass chainlink fence or anything they lean up
against it in the future. You also need much better judgement about who
you invite into your house.
As for "law" -- ordinances vary from place to place but in general a fence
is not supposed to be placed right on a property line UNLESS both property
owners cooperate & agree to place the fence right on the property line.
Whoever puts up a fence inside their property line is legally required to
maintain the fence. A fence is usually a foot or so inside their property
line, & the owners of the fence have access to both sides. If nobody ever
signed a Fence Compliance Form showing mutual agreement to be directly on
a property line, it has to be inside the fence owner's property. If the
fence is right on the property line without mutual agreement, you can
force them move it to conform to the local ordinance, with fun
Many ordinances require a fence to be set back "a reasonable distance"
which is defined as enough space to allow the fence owner to access both
sides of the fence for its maintenance. If their fence meets this legal
requirement, they can even come on your side of the fence & remove
anything attached to it, or paint it, or whatever they decidce to do to
it. If it is placed right on the property line with mutually signed Fence
Compliance Form signed by all parties, then you are responsible both for
the mainteance of your side of the fence & for keeping anything from
afflicting their side of the fence.
In any case, what grows through a fence or over a fence to the other side
they can legally remove. But where a chainlink is involved, where really
does a vine tresspass to the other side? If one side of the fence wants to
see vines, and the other side of the fence does not want them, there's no
possibility of mutually satisfactory use, which is just one more reason
why a fence that ugly-ass should never be used to separate properties.
Which underscores your need for a privacy-providing & vastly more
attractive natural wood fence of your own, placed according to ordinance
requirements if they will not enter into a mutual agreement to have a more
aesthetic fence placed directly on the property line.
They don't sound like reasonable people but the law is almost certainly on
their side. If they ARE reasonable you might be able to convince them to
permit you to replace a fence that does not allow for mutually agreeable
use (you cannot grow vines on it when there is no way to keep them on your
side), & at your expense put up an aesthetic fence that does not allow
such free penetration of plant life. Your side cna be rich & green, theirs
they can paint purple polka dot if they like. Or just put it inside your
property & you maintain both sides of the fence.
Most regulations require a fence to be no higher than six feet (some city
or county ordinances allow 8 feet) in a back yard or along an alley; no
higher than three feet at the front of a house (sometimes four feet); no
closer than a foot from sidewalks, interfering with no easements, blocking
no street-corner visibility from vehicles, with a minimum of one
four-foot-wide access gate in case of fire or other emergency. Sometimes a
fence building permit is needed, that costs very little with the building
department, but some areas require a permit only for fences that one wants
exceptions to not conform to an ordinance (for instance a seven or eight
foot fence might need a permit for the variance, but a six foot or smaller
that adheres to all requirements would not require a permit).
Placement of a fence also requires that the rights of adjacent property
owners are not allowed to be hindered; if the present fence is directly
on the property line, it could be argued that your right to grow vines on
a fence has definitely been hindered by their right to not have vines on
their side of the fence, forcing the issue of either replacing it witha
fence that protects both sides' rights equally, or requiring them to move
the fence away from the property line so that they alone maintain both
sides of it & which provides you room to have your own fence with access
to both sides.
-paghat the ratgirl
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
WOW! You must be a lawyer! Thanks for your reply, paghat!
You're right... I'll probably end up getting a privacy fence. But if I do,
I'll pay for the entire thing myself. They aren't the most co-operative of
Well, my $0.02 would be to plant a natural fence that will block the
view...I don't know, something like Golden Bamboo :>)
Before long, they won't be able to see them ATVs either if they aren't
willing to put in their yard-work time. Course that's a rude thing to do to
your OTHER neighbors....
snickering in this balmy houston weather
If you want revenge, bindweed's also an option, but only after you've sold
your place and are preparing to leave. :-) According to everyone I've asked,
the only way to really kill it is to use chemicals even the military is wary
We have a problem neighbor too. What we did was build three trellis
structures separated by evergreen trees about 2 feet inside the fenceline
(there is an existing three rail cedar fence). Because there is no height
restriction on the trellis, they are eight feet tall and I have rambling and
climbing roses growing on them, and I can trim both sides. They block the
objectionable view and look lovely in bloom. Your neighbors sound as
unreasonable as ours and I wish you luck.
we not only have to trim all the crappy brush grows thru our 700 foot long fence
along our drive, we gotta cart all the trimmings away rather than tossing them
the fence into their wild trashy brush. Ingrid
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