Since I saw his message in a quote, I'm got something to say big time.
I am a disablibed vietnam vet, I've lived with pain all my life and will
live with it until the day the grim one calls my name.
He talks about killing babys in vietnam, I've got news for him, he's full of
I was with the 4th Inf.Div. central highlands, the very same unit that is
now over sadams old country. I spent most on my time on a CA team, I drove a
truck that had been modified to go where other trucks couldn't. We would go
out to villages and set up medic tables and help the people out, teating
wonds, illness, etc. The Mountainyard people where glad to see us as we'd
haul their rice crops in for them.
In one village, we found that the dear little brown brother in their black
PJ's, the ones called VC, had been there the night before and what they had
done to the people there was something I'll never forget. While walking
around the outside of the village, I found a MY boy, about 7 years old who
had crossed and set off a vc booby trap made with White Pfhost. He couldn't
walk, the lower 1/2 of a leg was burned right down to the bone. I picked him
up and carried him to the medic, who called in a midicvac chopper and had
him airlifted to the base hostpital. They couldn't save the lower part of
the leg, but after it was healed, he was fitted with a adtical leg.
The last time I saw him, they where putting him on a truck to be taken home,
now the Mountainyards ware brass arm rings, the more they have, the higher
up in the village they are, I had found out the boy was the chif's son. As I
was saying goodby, he took off two of his arm rings and gave them to me, the
translator told me that he was making me a brother to him.
To this day, I have those rings in a place of Honor.
As for what that dipstick said, he'd best go talk to the vc and NVA about
what they did to people who wouldn't support them.
Sure you are. What took you so long to reveal this golden nugget, GI Joe?
Maybe you should contact Oliver Stone and he can make a movie about your war
stories? Maybe you should write a book about them first? Would that be under
non-fiction or fiction?
If you have been living with pain all your life, as you claim, that would
mean you were in pain long before you were inducted into military service
and if you were, they never would have accepted you in the first place.
It was not my operation, as a member of the armed forces of the USA, I went
where I was ordered to go. And since it was the VC/NVA who used the WP,
because his father ( who the VC KILLED ) wouldn't supply them with rice and
what else they did to the people of that MY village, the vc should have been
blown to bits. BTW, in Vietnam, the Mountainyard people are less than
nothing to the vietnamese, the MY's have been around far longer than the
others and they have no rights at all. I'd be very surprised if there's many
of them left over there.
You sound just like others I've heard over the years, and as far as I care,
you could take a flying leap into the lava lake in the Hawaii Volcano.
A thought to interject. Please keep in mind my husband fought in VN, time
frame - Saigon during the Tet Offensive - and we've both been back to
country since the end of the American War (as they call it). If America's
real concern was Vietnamese freedom and democracy, why didn't we help them
oust the French instead of engaging in a war that resulted in millions of
Vietnamese deaths, not to mention 50-some thousand of our own? While I
understand your feelings about them, the welfare of the Montaniards, I'm
afraid, played no part in what this war was about. Let's recall a little
Interesting thing that seems to be forgotten is that Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh
originally sought America's support in gaining liberty from French
colonialists. Ho wanted to set up a democratic government. He drafted a
declaration of indepence based on the American model. I've posted it below.
I bet most Americans have never read it but I hope you will.
Instead, Woodrow Wilson chose to support France, Ho turned to the USSR for
military and financial aid and eventually ousted the French leaving a civil
struggle between communist Ho and monarchist Bao Di. The Geneva Conference
of 1954 partitioned Vietnam with Ho in charge in the north and Bao Di in the
south (then Diem after Di's monarchy was subsequently abolished), and
elections were scheduled for 1956 to unify the country based on a popular
The "Domino Theory" and the cold War drove American decisions. Eisenhower,
who was now supporting Diem, was afraid a popular election would result in
favor of the communists (Ho's distribution of land to the people of the
north would make him the popular choice) so the election was never held. By
this time Khrushchev and Kennedy had become engaged in political battle with
the threat of nuclear war erupting between the USSR and the US; a strategic
decision was made to engage the USSR in conventional battle in Vietnam
rather than allow a nuclear conflict to erupt, which could bring the
calamity to our own doorstep. The Vietnamese civil war thus became a
pressure valve for tensions building as a result of the US-USSR power
President Ho Chi Minh delivering
his address in Hanoi on 2 September 1945.
(SEPTEMBER 2, 1945)
"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain
inalienable rights, among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of
This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the
United States of America m 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the
peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to
live, to be happy and free.
The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man
and the Citizen also states: "All men are born free and with equal rights,
and must always remain free and have equal rights." Those are undeniable
Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing
the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our
Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to
the ideals of humanity and justice. In the field of politics, they have
deprived our people of every democratic liberty.
They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political
regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck
our national unity and prevent our people from being united.
They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our
patriots- they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood. They have
fettered public opinion; they have practised obscurantism against our
people. To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol.
In the fields of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone,
impoverished our people, and devastated our land.
They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw
materials. They have monopolised the issuing of bank-notes and the export
They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people,
especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty.
They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie; they have
mercilessly exploited our workers.
In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina's
territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the
French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our
country to them.
Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the
French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result
was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang
Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two rnillion of our
fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were
disarmed by the lapanese. The French colonialists either fled or
surrendered, showing that not only were they incapable of "protecting" us,
but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the
On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to
ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this
proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities
against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great
number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Cao Bang.
Not withstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward
the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of
March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier,
rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and
From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French
colony and had become a Japanese possession.
After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to
regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of
The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not
from the French
The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has
abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have
fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at
the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme
for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present
For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing
the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all
relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the
international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of
Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully
acquired in our Fatherland.
The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to
fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to
reconquer their country.
We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Tehran and San Francisco
have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of
nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam.
A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than
eighty years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against
the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and
For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the
Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam
has the right to be a free and independent country, and in fact it is so
already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilise all their
physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order
to safeguard their independence and liberty.
Source: Ho Chi Minh, Selected Works (Hanoi, 1960-1962), Vol. 3, pp. 17-21.
If you were following the thread, nobody put soldiers down. It was the
absurdity of bringing Hanoi Jane into this discussion, which was met with, "they
you must be a baby killer." It was almost ridiculously obvious. I have the
highest regard for our duped armed forces in our country USA.
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:22 -0500, "Lady Blacksword"
Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend?
I suppose calling someone a babykiller is a twisted kind of support.
I've followed the thread thoroughly. That was uncalled for. As for
calling them 'dupes', please, no one is being duped. Saying that
about the people who volunteer for military service is hardly
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
If you haven't been following this nonsensical discussion from the
beginning, then maybe you should just stay out of it Ann?
If you got yourself suckered into believing the bad fiction from Storelard,
maybe somebody can sell you some beachfront property in Arizona too?
If you really were paying attention, you would have seen the "baby killer"
remark was in the form of a question and not an accusation, you reactionary
If you are too naive to see just how corrupt the present republican
administration is and how they have abused and slaughtered US troops for
their own corrupt prurient interests then you really have nothing of value
to say. (Not that you ever did.)
I have the whole thread right here it all it's nonglory, Stevie. I'll
go where I please.
Bad fiction....you truly are an idiot. Dennis hasn't said anything
inflamatory, that's all been left to you, as usual.
There was absolutely no need to call anyone that. That's a horrible
slur left over from the scum who 'greeted' the returning Vietnam war
veterans. Good to see it's still being put to use by liberal fools
who think it makes them somehow better.
Nor have you in this discussion, Stevie. I'm absolutely horrified
that people have died defending your right to be a fool. In public.
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
As usual Anniepoo, you are completely off the wall and got everything
completely screwed up in the pin head of yours, you flatulent bean brain.
If you were really concerned about the boys serving in the military, you
would be in Washington protesting the corrupt administration that has them
dying needlessly in their private little war for oil for the rich that
nobody wanted. Rumsfeld actually had the nerve to go over to Iraq and told
the troops to screw themselves and do as they are told. When there was the
public outcry to have the bastard fired, Dubya had the nerve to back up the
nasty things the coot said.
If you still haven't caught on to what is really going on, you have
absolutely no right to be flinging feces from your monkey cage. You are the
fool but you are far to arrogant to realize it.(as usual!)
Ann, have you ever noticed that when someone does not agree with these types
of users, that they start making up slang words instead of using someones
I've used the "Starlord" name for a long time, my first trys at sci-fi back
in days far gone used that and I got it from a good sci-fi writter's books.
Oh btw, if you could see my voting record, you could say I'm a liberal in a
way, but I read and then vote my own ideas, not to follow just anyones way.
Yesterday I was out in my garden part of the day, planting more morning
glory seeds and pulling grass away from my iris that are coming back to
It has been noted more than once in history that excessive swearing
generally indicates a stunted vocabulary.
i.e.: He can't think of anything better, so he's resorting to third grade
I just look at it and find it humorous that an allegedly grown man can't be
more intellectually creative with his insults.
Just coming back at you dumbing to down to the language an 18 year old like
you can really understand. Everybody knows you slackers are too lazy to
bother to look up those "big words" in any dictionary.
Sorry, stereotype error detected.
Subject in question is a product of homeschooling, not the malfucntioning
public school system.
Maybe you should try another excuse? Like, you don't know any words big
enough that I have to look them up because you have a rather limited
It's funny in a way, I'm the son of a truck driver and if I ever wanted to
do it, I could out cuss just about anyone, but I've chosen for the most part
not to do that. There have been times when anyone within hearing range got
their ears burned, like the time some lowlife
#%i0($#()#*@(@#(@)@$_%_)#+$#++# broke into a trailer I lived in down in
Ramona, CA back in 87 and ripped off my Topcon Super D camera and a bunch of
drepression glass I was collecting. I've replaced the camera with another
Topcon Super D, but the glassware is mostly out of my range now.
Yes, well, proof again that people do have a choice. Thay can infact choose
to behave however they wish.
Which gives rise to the conclusion that the idiot actually tries to be as
stupid as he appears to be.
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