There is a nice article on the Hadza over at:
Many in public health believe that a major culprit is
our sedentary lifestyle. Faced with relatively few
physical demands today, our bodies burn fewer calories
than they evolved to consume — and those unspent calories
pile up over time as fat. The World Health Organization,
in discussing the root causes of obesity, has cited a
“decrease in physical activity due to the increasingly
sedentary nature of many forms of work, changing modes
of transportation and increasing urbanization.”
This is a nice theory. But is it true? To find out,
my colleagues and I recently measured daily energy
expenditure among the Hadza people of Tanzania, one
of the few remaining populations of traditional
hunter-gatherers. Would the Hadza, whose basic way
of life is so similar to that of our distant
ancestors, expend more energy than we do?
Our findings, published last month in the journal
PLoS ONE, indicate that they don’t, suggesting
that inactivity is not the source of modern obesity.
Studies on the Inuits and the Aleuts too. Returning
to their ancestral diets gets rid of the diabetes.
Unfortunately for Diabetics, they are suffering from a
lot of fat bigotry. T2 Diabetes is a simple injury
caused by consuming unnatural amounts of carbohydrates.
You can heal from it, but you have to stop the insult
that caused it in the first place.
Here is the thing about fat bigots. They see the
human body as, what we call in engineering terms,
an "open loop" system. It is not. It is one
of the most complex and wonder "closed loop" system
ever created. And being "closed loop", your body
compensates. This is why you can stand on two feet.
This is also why skinny people don't get fat when they
The Fat Bigots want Diabetes and obesity to a
"character flaw" in those they "condescend" on.
It is a failure of the control system involved
in the closed loop to compensate. The only
"character flaw" is the bigotry.
the riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped
You didn't actually read the cites there did you? Or if you did, you
clearly didn't understand the more scholarly ones that show that there
is a genetic preponderance amongst hunter gatherers to develop type 2
diabetes and why that is so.
Hint: That preponderance has NOTHING to do with carbohydrates or the
consumption of them.
There is absolutely no evidence to support that claim. There ARE lots
and lots sites and cites that say that but not one I've yet read could
be considered to be reputable or withstand even basic scrutiny.
Do you actually read what you write to see if it makes any sense?
You do write a lot of drivel that has nothing to do with what is being
discussed. You might make more sense if you bothered to try to
understand what is being said to you, what you are being asked and why
you are being asked something but more especially you might have a
better understanding if you bothered to actually READ your own cites.
YOU gave cites that show that hunter gatherers have a known
preponderance for developing T2 diabetes.
Their tendency to develop T2 diabetes once they follow a first world
diet has nothing to do with just eating carbohydrates ACCORDING TO YOUR
And if you really do insist on being all Paleo because you still choose
to believe it, then you will also stop stuffing your face to excess and
you will get out and do some exercise.
The reasons why you should stop the excess stuffing of your face and get
out and do some exercise are listed in those very Paleo cites YOU gave.
You only looked at the sections of the Paleo
that you agree with. You totally missed the
part about the carbs. And, yes, I do exercise
I don't think anything I could write you would
rise to the level that you require to get past
your preconceive notions.
Basically, here it is in a nutshell. I got
T2 Diabetes. I figured out how to deal with it.
I am healing. I am telling others how as well
because it is the decent thing to do.
As my GP allopath told me when he first saw me,
your ate too may carbohydrates and you burned your
self out. That is an injury.
I have lived through this. I know what I am
talking about. And, I am healing.
If I am so full of it, why would I be drug free
If you ever burn yourself out as well, see if
you can find me. I will tell you how I healed
myself. You can take it or leave it.
the riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped
"Obesity" is from the excess consumption of
carbs. To get fat required high blood sugar
and insulin (the fat hormone).
You can't get fat off of fat (keytones). Fat is use
I had to learn all this stuff after getting
Obesity has a variety of causes and is not due to just high blood sugar.
The correlation between obesity and T2 diabetes is well documented in
the US by the CDC and in the rest of the world by the WHO.
The fat bigots and the special interests would have you
By the way, the initial stages of T2, the insulin
resistance causes you to put on weight. They
didn't mention that, did they. It is all
part of their cover up. "Oh you have T2
because you are fat!" It is the other way around.
By the way, thank you for the Australian doctor
who went up against the special interests and
got ulcers treated as an infection.
You should have heard the name calling from the
medical community! They made a lot of money off
of treating but not healing ulcers. But the guy
persevered and we now can finally treat ulcers.
(Herbalists always could, but they are just
"wack jobs" you know.)
Same thing is going on here with T2. We need
an Australian doctor to come here and set
the special interests right again.
the riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped
Do you read what you write to see if it passes the logic or sanity test?
"Fat bigots" say that high blood sugar is the cause of obesity? These
mysterious "special interest" unknowns are involved in some conspiracy
saying that the only cause of obesity is high blood sugar.
All those people conspiring.
And another conspiracy theory.
You'd probably not like most Aussie Doctors. They'd tell you to get
real and stop seeing conspiracies everywhere.
I looked up the Aussie doctor: Dr. Barry J. Marshal.
Thank goodness he persisted and took on the special
interests. Oh they called him every name in the
book. The special interests went BERSERK! They
stood to lose ton of money (and did -- ha ha).
By the way, reducing acid in your stomach causes
the bacteria that causes ulcers to thrive. Hmmmm.
Let me adjust my aluminum foil hat. Conspiracies
If you do not think this crap goes on all the time in
the medical community, then you are in for a rude
surprise. They are about "treating", not "healing".
I found this out the hard way with Diabetes.
If you think I am wrong, look up the side effects
of statins. My favorite is "statin-induced
rhabdomyolysis", which first cripples you (ruins
your muscles), then maims you (kidney failure),
eventually it kills you.
Now, try to find a single autopsy study that links
serum cholesterol with arteriosclerosis. Give up?
I can show you lots of the opposite.
Luckily, both my ER and GP allopaths do not follow the
cholesterol fraud. Which is good because I can trust
what they say. (I still double check them.) And,
neither one is an Aussie. (Occasionally, American
doctors can think for themselves too.)
By the way, the doctor that found the real cause of
arteriosclerosis (homocystein/inflammation) was Dr.
Kilmer McCully. The medical community persecuted him
so bad he had to go to court just to hold a position
as a coroner! You see, Allopths don't make any money
off the sale of B vitamins, folate in particular.
Is my aluminum foil hat (far more stylish than tin foil
hats) on too tight?
By the way, even paranoid have enemies.
I eat when I am hungry. Eat more at some meals,
less at other, occasionally fast when I can't
eat (on a customer's site, etc.). Somewhat
similar to hunter-gathers.
When my wife or I cook something nice, I do
tend to eat a bit more. Bear in mind that
I can now taste my food much better.
It all works out. It is a closed loop system.
In the third world, were Diabetes is becoming
a huge problem, they eat a hell of a lot less
that I do and move a hell of a lot more. The
problem is that they eat the same thing that
injured me: healthy carbs.
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:32 AM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
We have that 10,000 steps thingie up here too.
I put in the same or more as you in house, garden, shoppin, etc. but it nev
er occurred to me that these steps would count toward the 10K. I thought it
had to be stride ahead..
Agree 1000% on need to walk more.
It IS true that the greater LA area IS dreadfully spread out, such that it
would take a good part of the day to take bus(es) to distant part of county
. With better public transport, the suffering could have been mitigated de
cades ago. But the government is owned by the oil & gas & automobile baron
s who have spent gazillions over time at the est Little Whorehouse in Washi
ngton (AKA U.S. Congress) to make sure their products continue to be consum
ed, faut de mieux.
Now the traffic is so bad -- supposed to be worst in country ??? that peopl
e just give up driving during rush hour which used to begin about 4:30-5:00
. Then 3:30-4:00 - then ... so now it is perpetual rush hour. I've read t
hat people spent a WEEK of their lives stuck in traffic!!!
Personally, as a card-carrying science freak, I used to enjoy events at JPL
and Caltech. Not any more..check out the 405 Freeway at rush hour! Apocal
Back to walking: So, it's a great concept, but realistically...
At least we have a lovely promenade overlooking the Pacific -- well used by
people and dogs (on leash).
I personally hate exercise. Rode a stationary bike once and
though I'd died and gone to hell.
But, if you put a fishing rod in my hands and tell me
there are trout over that mountain, I will hike, run,
crawl over rocks ...
So as Mark Sisson (Mr. Paleo) puts it, the best exercise
is the "one that you will do".
I find that walking/hiking will bring back down the blood
sugar spikes from stress and down about 10 to 15 points
And, I also find that you don't have to exercise your ass off
either, just do something.
TROUT FEAR ME!
I found that interesting that it was also in the US so did a google -
apparently the 10kstep thing started in Japan in the 60s. It's got
around since them :-))
No, apparently the reason why it was started was because the average
person only did between 3 and 5k per day and that's not enough. The
recommendation is for 30 minutes continuous a day where you can still
talk whilst walking plus try to get some vigorous (can't talk) each week.
I have no trouble fitting in walking. I lve on a farm but I also live
near a small village and have joined a wlakign gorup there. But another
example is that yesterday I had a Specialist Doctor's appointment in the
Moderate Smoke. I parked in a multi storey car park at least 15 minutes
walk away from the Doctor's rooms and them walked vigorously to the
appointment. I was still at least 15 minutes early. I do the same thing
when I shop. Put the car in the far distant corner of the supermarket
and then wheel my trolley back there and if I need to go to anonther
shop I'll walk there from that car park and then walk back with my
goodies in a carry back I always carry with me (assuming of course that
it's only a few items and not something that I'd need a team of Sherpas
to carry back).
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:45:24 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
never occurred to me that these steps would count toward the 10K. I though
t it had to be stride ahead..
it would take a good part of the day to take bus(es) to distant part of co
unty. With better public transport, the suffering could have been mitigate
d decades ago. But the government is owned by the oil & gas & automobile b
arons who have spent gazillions over time at the est Little Whorehouse in W
ashington (AKA U.S. Congress) to make sure their products continue to be co
nsumed, faut de mieux.
eople just give up driving during rush hour which used to begin about 4:30-
5:00. Then 3:30-4:00 - then ... so now it is perpetual rush hour. I've re
ad that people spent a WEEK of their lives stuck in traffic!!!
JPL and Caltech. Not any more..check out the 405 Freeway at rush hour! Ap
d by people and dogs (on leash).
Not in suburb. Very small city on the Pacific(Santa Monica) right next to v
ery big city, Los Angeles. Yeah, we have sidewalks, traffic lights; the wh
ole enchilada. But plenty of places to walk, esp. the sea cliff Promenade.
(In some huge LA shopping malls, people -- women? older -- have regular wal
king groups. Partly social, I would assume? But in this nice climate, why
In my tiny city we have overbuilding, courtesy of idiot contingent on City
Council, resulting in even more traffic, also from people coming in from ou
tside to work in high tech, medical, other (it's a desirable area). I'll o
ften walk downtown or if backpack overloaded,take the bus,just not to deal
You asked about sidewalks. One street in ritziest part of town, has no sid
ewalks! I kid you not! Those fortunate souls need never be crude pedestri
ans. I vaguely understand that in the next county the car-oriented, sterile
fortress suburbs often have only driveways; no sidewalks
You are correct in that one can fit in a 10-15 min. fast walk as you descri
bed; just takes determination. I go forth inspired!
LOL. Glad to hear that you are inspired :-)) I went for a walk this am
with a group of women and a bunch of dogs. I took my dog but left him
in the car as he gets anxious if expected to walk in unknown territory.
We mostly walked in the middle of the road even though there were
footpaths - it's great where I live as a couple of cars during the day
is a traffic jam. After my walk, I left my car where it was and went to
check out a house that may be coming on the market (we're thinking that
we need to downsize soonish) and then I walked on to the library. I was
glad that I had my backpack as I'd gone to pick up only 1 book I had
ordered in on interlibrary loan and left with about 8 more books - a
couple of really interesting looking gardening books amongst them.
Now you've got me wondering about one of my favourite rollicking yarn
type authors - I can't recall if she wrote abut Santa Monica or some
other west coastal area.
Just did a google - it was Santa Teresa she writes about.
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:57:25 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
to very big city, Los Angeles. Yeah, we have sidewalks, traffic lights; th
e whole enchilada. But plenty of places to walk, esp. the sea cliff Promena
walking groups. Partly social, I would assume? But in this nice climate,
why walk indoors?)
ity Council, resulting in even more traffic, also from people coming in fro
m outside to work in high tech, medical, other (it's a desirable area). I'
ll often walk downtown or if backpack overloaded,take the bus,just not to d
eal with parking.
sidewalks! I kid you not! Those fortunate souls need never be crude pede
strians. I vaguely understand that in the next county the car-oriented, ste
rile fortress suburbs often have only driveways; no sidewalks
scribed; just takes determination. I go forth inspired!
I'm not sure there IS such a place. What is author's name?
Sorry Higgs, brain fart on my part there as I wasn't very clear. The
character lives in Santa Teresa but the real life place is (supposedly)
Santa Barbara. The author is Sue Grafton and she writes what is called
'the alphabet series' ('A' is Alibi etc, etc through many books
beginning with each letter of the alphabet). They are rollicking yarns
- not particularly well written but funny and women in particular seem
to enjoy them because the main character is a semi competent female PI
who gets in a mess frequently.
Sorry folks I couldn't resist the temptation. I know it's puerile, like
tapping on the cage in the reptile house. Todd didn't disappoint, struck out
like an Eastern Brown in an ants nest. I'll try not to do it again. He
might hurt his nose on the glass.
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