Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu

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Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. That¹s right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet.

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Billy
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I'd really like to find a flaw in such an overarching generalization, but I can't. Thanks for the link.

Reply to
Steve

People with simple answers never understand the problems.

Reply to
The moderator

You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging.

Reply to
moghouse

Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you.

Reply to
Billy

Can I get a citation on that?

Reply to
Billy

Your credibility lost any repect we may have given it by your not knowing my spelling was correct and your grammar was not. Please learn the correct position of the possesive apostrophe.

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moghouse

perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules...

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Dioclese

Well, in this case the possessive pronoun does't take an apostrophy. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss

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Bwahahahahaha. I just love doing that. Bwahahahahaha.

Me? Have credibility? Shirley you jest, I'm just the pointing finger, like this one, see?

Don't you have a book to color or something?

Reply to
Billy

Small minds get lost in the details. Not their fault as educate is faulty. Think like this a mantra of sorts. None left behind just pass the hell with understanding. I really do not how to deal with issues like this aside from example. Real work.....

Bill educare too bring out a vision...

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Bill

Lemme add to this article (thanks for your link). I'm sure Steve is looking in, as this is for him also (wait a minute! I *assume* Steve is a he, but can I be sure? Can't recall any gender identifiers....hmmm...apologies for any erroneous assumptions, Steve...)

Anyway, I digress and wax idiotic in the eyes of some........here's the article

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Charlene, back to the garden........

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Charlie

Yeah? I gots yur gender identifier right here. ;-)

(Livin' on the edge there, eh?)

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Steve

.....*****SNERT....snark*** What the hell jsut flew up my nose and awakened me?

You're slow with the fly swatter, Billy. Crap, gonna have to install a hook under me log to hold me own flyswat.

Harruummphhh! Damned annoyances. zzzzzzzzz

Charlie

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Charlie

guru Amory Lovins about thinking outside the box, Lovins responded: ?There is no box.?" /shudder/

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Steve

It seems with the SciAm article

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that Charlie posted, taken with CAFOs breeding new diseases (from the Pollan interview), maybe we should look to reduce our meat consumption and spread out the area in which animals are raised to avoid the need for antibiotic treated animals which can harbor resistant bacteria, and easily transmit viruses.

What ridicules are you referring to?

Reply to
Billy

It looks like it's time to reduce energy, and meat consumption, and start eating more plants.

Reply to
Billy

Ooohhh, I love it when you talk like that! ;-)

:-)

Reply to
Charlie

Let's try some different words.

The way that food is grown, processed and transported is a major contemporary issue in the Western world, it is not unique to America.. The apparent cheapness and abundance of food conceals real environmental and social costs in its production and unintended negative consequences that have the potential to become more significant in the near future. The system that puts food on the table and the way many people view food (or ignore the issue) is not sustainable and must change.

David

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David Hare-Scott

Amen.

Reply to
Steve

This is the kind of misinformation produced by people with an "agenda".

Recombinant forms of influenza like "swine flu" are the results of human - animal interaction of a very close sort. In order for this to happen both must be able to be infected with the virus (like influenza) and the humans and animals have to be in close contact at the time of the infection, either sneezing in each others faces, or, since influenza is shed in the saliva, nasal secretion or FECES the human can also by hand transfer the virus to their own mouth (inhale), nose or eyes, all portals of entry.

In a well run big or factory pig farm (or chicken farm) the workers are required to change into and wear special "clean" suits complete with bootie covers, masks, gloves, hoods and even eye protection. The reason for this is to prevent humans from walking in and/or passing their bacteria and viruses and microbes to the pigs, and, after working they clean up before they leave so they dont track anything out. The cleanup of the feces and urine is done automatically (large amounts which can really foul the environment if not handled properly. Enforcement depends on state). Feeding antibiotics, BTW, has absolutely nothing to do with viruses. Hogs are housed in buildings which limit the entrance of "wild type" bacteria and viruses, mostly by preventing outside disease carrying animals from getting in to the areas so they are much more likely to NOT have disease and much more likely to be healthy (stress aside). A healthy pig will produce large litters, will put on weight and go to market faster. Everything is done to maximize big healthy pigs going to market. I am sure if classical or rock music encouraged growth, they would pipe this in to the barns as well. This is what is typically seen in the US.

In contrast the farms I worked on during the summers of my youth (grandparents and friends) the pigs were out in a pen or field mixing it up with disease carrying wild life. I didnt have much to do with pigs cause I was told to STAY OUT OF THE PIG PENS as they might go after me (pigs eat flesh with relish, BTW). These are not cute little pet pigs. And there is a much higher chance of these pigs carrying diseases that can be transmitted to humans as well.

And then there are the pig factories that have gone to Mexico do so to AVOID the environmental requirements and are flushing, I am sure, the urine and feces right out the "back door". They may have lax enforcement of sanitation within the farms, they certainly have more diseased wild animals (and biting insects to carry disease) in the area and health standards for the workers may be nonexistent along with "time off for being ill". Local labor is cheap and I am sure they make no effort to instruct their workers in health standards, etc.

INgrid Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago

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dr-solo

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