People with simple answers never understand the problems.
You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging.
Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you.
Can I get a citation on that?
Your credibility lost any repect we may have given it by your not knowing my spelling was correct and your grammar was not. Please learn the correct position of the possesive apostrophe.
perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules...
Well, in this case the possessive pronoun does't take an apostrophy. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss
Bwahahahahaha. I just love doing that. Bwahahahahaha.
Me? Have credibility? Shirley you jest, I'm just the pointing finger, like this one, see?
Don't you have a book to color or something?
Small minds get lost in the details. Not their fault as educate is faulty. Think like this a mantra of sorts. None left behind just pass the hell with understanding. I really do not how to deal with issues like this aside from example. Real work.....
Bill educare too bring out a vision...
Lemme add to this article (thanks for your link). I'm sure Steve is looking in, as this is for him also (wait a minute! I *assume* Steve is a he, but can I be sure? Can't recall any gender identifiers....hmmm...apologies for any erroneous assumptions, Steve...)
Anyway, I digress and wax idiotic in the eyes of some........here's the article
.....*****SNERT....snark*** What the hell jsut flew up my nose and awakened me?
You're slow with the fly swatter, Billy. Crap, gonna have to install a hook under me log to hold me own flyswat.
Harruummphhh! Damned annoyances. zzzzzzzzz
Charlie
It seems with the SciAm article
What ridicules are you referring to?
Let's try some different words.
The way that food is grown, processed and transported is a major contemporary issue in the Western world, it is not unique to America.. The apparent cheapness and abundance of food conceals real environmental and social costs in its production and unintended negative consequences that have the potential to become more significant in the near future. The system that puts food on the table and the way many people view food (or ignore the issue) is not sustainable and must change.
David
This is the kind of misinformation produced by people with an "agenda".
Recombinant forms of influenza like "swine flu" are the results of human - animal interaction of a very close sort. In order for this to happen both must be able to be infected with the virus (like influenza) and the humans and animals have to be in close contact at the time of the infection, either sneezing in each others faces, or, since influenza is shed in the saliva, nasal secretion or FECES the human can also by hand transfer the virus to their own mouth (inhale), nose or eyes, all portals of entry.
In a well run big or factory pig farm (or chicken farm) the workers are required to change into and wear special "clean" suits complete with bootie covers, masks, gloves, hoods and even eye protection. The reason for this is to prevent humans from walking in and/or passing their bacteria and viruses and microbes to the pigs, and, after working they clean up before they leave so they dont track anything out. The cleanup of the feces and urine is done automatically (large amounts which can really foul the environment if not handled properly. Enforcement depends on state). Feeding antibiotics, BTW, has absolutely nothing to do with viruses. Hogs are housed in buildings which limit the entrance of "wild type" bacteria and viruses, mostly by preventing outside disease carrying animals from getting in to the areas so they are much more likely to NOT have disease and much more likely to be healthy (stress aside). A healthy pig will produce large litters, will put on weight and go to market faster. Everything is done to maximize big healthy pigs going to market. I am sure if classical or rock music encouraged growth, they would pipe this in to the barns as well. This is what is typically seen in the US.
In contrast the farms I worked on during the summers of my youth (grandparents and friends) the pigs were out in a pen or field mixing it up with disease carrying wild life. I didnt have much to do with pigs cause I was told to STAY OUT OF THE PIG PENS as they might go after me (pigs eat flesh with relish, BTW). These are not cute little pet pigs. And there is a much higher chance of these pigs carrying diseases that can be transmitted to humans as well.
And then there are the pig factories that have gone to Mexico do so to AVOID the environmental requirements and are flushing, I am sure, the urine and feces right out the "back door". They may have lax enforcement of sanitation within the farms, they certainly have more diseased wild animals (and biting insects to carry disease) in the area and health standards for the workers may be nonexistent along with "time off for being ill". Local labor is cheap and I am sure they make no effort to instruct their workers in health standards, etc.
INgrid Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
Surely you are not trying to tell us that some business men are greedy and seek to circumvent the regulations? Some of us had noticed that first from the finance industry and more recently from the government industry.
Ingrid, you seem a little shrill lately, everything OK?
Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus: A Growing Link between MRSA Infections and Pigs
And then, this one which has elements for conspiracy theorists everywhere. A tedious but satisfying read.
The A H1N1 Pandemic: Pig to Human Transmission of the Swine Flu?
A recent authoritative study by the John Hopkins School of Public Health on Industrial Farm Animal Production (IFAP) refutes the statements of the WHO. It confirms that IFAP hog farms are not only the source of contamination of surrounding groundwater but also of the spread of novel viruses including swine flu (See Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production, Pew Foundation and Bloomberg and John Hopkins School of Public Health, Putting Meat on the Table Industrial Farm Animal Production in Americas, see also Washington Post, May 9 2009). These viruses can be transmitted from pigs to humans and then "from person to person in a community setting and well beyond." (Ibid) The transmission can also occur in the food chain. The virus contaminates the meat which is then consumed: "An infectious agent that originates at an IFAP facility may persist through meat processing and contaminate consumer food animal products, resulting in a serious disease outbreak far from the ifap facility" (See Putting Meat on the Table Industrial Farm Animal Production in Americas, p. 11.)
What has that have to do with the website you posted originally? Nothing regarding the matter that I just ATTEMPTED and evidently failed to convey to you..
I'd rather not discuss the obvious since you refuse to do so by side-tracking.
Well, aren't we in a snit today? Ridicule was side-tracking? You brought up the subject. The subject which I posted about our animal gulags as breeding grounds for human diseases. Treat the animals poorly and it comes back to bite you in the ass.
Then the is the under reported story, that the H1N1 virus had escaped from a lab.
"According to a recent report (Bloomberg, May 12, 2009) which was barely publicised, a prominent scientist directly involved in the development of Tamiflu points to the possibility that the H1N1 strain ³resulted from lab experimentation or vaccine production². According to professor Adrian Gibbs of the Australian National University (ANU), the virus which ³escaped from a lab², was the direct product of a laboratory experiment by the company which produces Tamiflu. ³³It could be a mistake² that occurred at a vaccine production facility or the virus could have jumped from a pig to another mammal or a bird before reaching humans, he said.² (Ibid) There have been several previous unconfirmed reports on the issue. Professor John Oxford of St. Bart's and the Royal London Hospital contends that ³the 1957 H1N1 pandemic probably started when it escaped from a lab² (National Public Radio, May 4, 2009). While the findings of Professor Gibbs require further investigation, they, nonetheless, raise the broader issue of transmission out of a laboratory, not to mention the underlying geographic location of a laboratory. The WHO is investigating the findings of Professor Gibbs."
Hmmmm.....what is the shelf life of Tamiflu?
Five years, from what I read.
When was the global fiasco over avian flu that prompted the manufacture of a gazilllion doses of Tamiflu. A gaziliion doses that weren't used for a pandemic that didn't materialize, even though we recently supposedly had a major effup in Europe with a vaccine containing live virus H5N1? Hmmmmmm.......
Hmmmmm.......wonder how much Tamiflu, from that manufacture, has been sold recently, in order to deal with the, uh, supposed outbreak of this funky strain of "swine flu", a strain that carries some interesting dna.
Four years ago I was forced to go to the doc concerning cellulitis that I developed in my elbow. I've had it before and it is a serious deal. In the past, keflex (cephalosporins) were administered IM to infiltrate with an oral course. This last time I couldn't get the effing doc to use that. I ended up with a shot of Rocephen in my ass, a long way from the elbow and a scrip for.....tada.....ciprofloxicin, of which a gazillion doses had been manufactured for the supposed terrorist anthrax debacle. BTW, I reacted very badly to that shit and so did my sister in law who had cipro used on her after surgery. It damn near killed her. She had to be transferred to Bigtown Hosp for a week.
Whadda ya think, Billy. Concern for the public health?
As Galileo said, "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Charlie
and then get them past the censors, who block or distort beyond all recognition. The corporate press is rigged. That is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on.
According to Naomi Klein, "Before he reentered government, Rumsfeld was so convinced that he was on to a hot new industry that he helped found several private investment funds specializing in biotechnology and pharmaceuticals. These companies are banking on an apocalyptic future of rampant disease, one in which governments are forced to buy, at top dollar, whatever lifesaving products the private sector has under patent."
These, like Tamiflu, will most likely be developed on grants funded by taxpayers.
At least we will be getting something for the money, unlike our present scenario.
You think Rummy's has an idea where all this is headed? Does Rummy gamble?
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