What's the name of this raised thingie?

[honiberri]

Suppose you had something like this...

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What would you call the raised section in the middle with the square pyramid roof? I'm imagining it being raised just to allow windows. Is there a name for it? It shows up in Southwestern houses a lot.

And could something like that be designed without flat roofs on the bits next to it, so that the principle could be used in rainy places?

I know nothing about architecture and can't look it up without knowing the words, so I'm sorry about phrasing my question in the form of ASCII art. Hope someone can help me!

[Michael (LS)]

breathtaking.

Someone wiser than me can give a definitive answer but here's my understanding:

What the OP is describing is a "clerestory" (Also spelled "clearstory")

- "A portion of an interior rising above adjacent rooftops and having windows admitting daylight into the interior."

A "cupola" is:

- "A light structure on a dome or roof, serving as a belfry, lantern, or belvedere."

I've always made the distinction by whether or not it's open to the inside/interior. A cupola is more or less just decorative, while a clerestory is "functional".

But hey, if I'm completely wrong it wouldn't be the first time....

Michael (LS)

[Tim]

In the UK cupola tends to be used for a dome with a glazed drum element in it

Clerestory is used for high level glazing, for independant windows and especially if it is linear in it's design

I think the OP's picture sits somwhere between the two camps - it could be a large cupola or a small internal hall with clerestory More likely the latter in this case though as the windows are shown too small and too far apart to constitute a glazed drum

Clear as mud really :-)

Hope that gives the OP some help

Tim

[P.Fritz]

You are one the right track, but then there is also the widow's watch........................

[tbasc]

Lantern is a reasonable label more later. TB

[gruhn]

Yeah, and you're on crack, obviously. Too big. Is actual walls and stuff. Cupolas are just little lanterny bits that perch on a roof or the top of a dome. Harumph.

So is a lack of oxygen in the blood stream.

[gruhn]

I was thinking about that. But if you look at the basic basilica with a long row clerestory on either side of the aisle and compare with this... yeah, technically it's a wall above the roof and then another roof. It even has clerestory windows.. But my... suspicion that there might be a more particular name is due to the "single tower" nature of the OP's illo. We could say "a clerestory surmounting the crossing" or something. But I worry that I'm missing a word for "a clerestory-like towery bit".

Except for when it's full of vents to keep the air moving through the hay loft or provide a weather protected projection for light to stream in through the dome because we can't all live in Rome. ;-)

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news:00Yne.12233$ [e-mail]:

I thought that a clerestory was larger than a cupola, and specifically rectangular, and typically something that went along all or most of the roofline; whereas a cupola (I thought) was a smaller structure, although it can be square, round, or n-gonal where n is an even number - IOW, 2-way symmetry; and about 1/5 (maybe 1/4?) or less of the roof length.

If it was oval, it'd be a clerestory, as would the rectangle.

Again, this is just what I'd always thought...

BTW would a "campennela" be a separate structure or its own small "wing" (using the term very loosely, more like a smallish but tall "room")?

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news:YJZne.14866$ [e-mail]:

How about "Rooftop Promenade"...?

Or, my preference, "Birding Platform"

[gruhn]

Let me dig up the round barn...

OK, that's cupola.

is the one I was thinking of and that's got both.

with both.

But the point I'm getting at here is "that's a clerestory and it's round".

Am I misunderstanding what you mean by rectangular?

I think that's a good distinction. (Though mathematically frought with peril in the case of the round barn.)

"campanile : a bell tower; usually stands alone unattached to a building"

[Kris Krieger]

"gruhn" wrote in news:QP1oe.35$ [e-mail]:

Interesting pics (gorgeous barns...)

No, that was just always my impression. I guess that a round building

*would* have a round clerestory. Jsut that one doesn't see too many round buildings. I guess size is the main thing...?

Well, it does go along most of the rooline in both cases, it's just that the roofline is curved.

Oh! Thanks!

Oh, OK - I was wondering because the "ascii art" looked almost like it was a square tower with two "wings" attached, which is why the CAMPANILE ((and not "camp cannoli" as I seemed to be getting way too close to =:-o !)) popped into my head.

Oh no, another weird thought - I have a thing for large wind chimes, and wondering now about the idea of having a "chime tower" or some sort of aeolian harp or other aeolian instrument..... (see what happens when I

*don't* drink?, I think stuff like that =8-O !)

Hmmm, Camp Cannoli...yum... ...right next to Camp Chianti Classico-Riserva...

[gruhn]

I see a cupola as a thing. Something you can point at and take off. A clerestory as a wall in a certain location in relation to the roofs around it.

My point was that the cupola on a round barn does the exact same thing as the clerestory just at a smaller radius.

I toyed with that interpretation too. if the wings were just a bit narrower then the corners at the clerestory would come all the way to the ground and the tower would be more apparent. Or if the clerestory wall were back just a bit then it would look more perched on the roof and less like it might go all the way to the ground.

Oh gods, I would SOOOO attend that place. Esp. if it were provisioned by Mike's on Hanover St.

That could be fun. I think I read recently about somebody who thought people with wind chimes should be shot. So be careful where you build.

- gruhn

[tbasc]

Lantern A small structure on top of a dome or in similar situation for the purpose of admitting light, promoting ventilation, or for ornament. It usually signifies a tower which has the whole height or a considerable portion ot the interior, open to view from the ground and is lighted by an upper tier of windows. A lantern-tower.

TB

[zenboom]

I read - 'cupola' 1.bowl shaped vault [?!] 2. soffit of dome 3. small dome on a lantern/belvedere etc. 'clerestory' 1.upper wall on a collonade, higher than adjacent roof,with windows.

so a latern's roof may be a cupola...

hmmf ... just when I thought this archi.dictionary would remain a paper-weight...

-- R'zenboom Signal.ds

[Chuck]

A clearstory is a clerestory used for high level glazing, with independent windows, mostly vertical, just under a sloped roof plane at the eave. It is used to let in light which seemingly is part of the roof framing.

CID...

[honiberri]

Well, that got me more answers than I could have hoped for! :)

GIS shows a whole lot more square clerestories than square cupolas, but shows both of them in round and square versions. That tells me that, while the dictionary doesn't nail them down, common usage goes in both directions, and I can get my message across.

I think the reason that I drew it the way I did is that I grew up in the Southwest, where the only real architecture was pueblo-inspired adobe and stucco. I wasn't consciously thinking of it at the time, but I'm sure that's where that comes from.

I'm toying with building an outbuilding studio thing in my large, unused back yard, and the L shape above is particularly suited to it. I was trying to think of some things to do with it to make it less dull and boxy, which is where the clerestory came in. I have a 45' square plot separated by a wall of trees from my real back yard to play with, so I'm having a lot of fun dreaming up stuff. :)

Also, thanks particularly to Michael for giving the alternate spelling, or else I would have gone the rest of my life--seeing how it's used commonly in churches and all--pronouncing it "cluh RESS' tuh ree'!"

[Kris Krieger]

[e-mail] wrote in news: [e-mail]:

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Hey, that does sound like fun. Do you have a 3D prog. you can do it up in? If not, and if you can wait until end of July, email me privately if you're interested in a freebie 3D workup. ((End of july is because I'm moving mid-month, and there is always that post-move mania...)) I'm having "modeler's block" recently (prob. stress :o ) and new input is usually invigorating ;)

[Kris Krieger]

"gruhn" wrote in news:KO2oe.52$ [e-mail]:

Oh...OK, I didn't realise it was basically a geegaw.

Maybe what I was thinking of might be called a "crow's nest", like the structure on a ship, used as a Lookout? I had thought some cupolas could be accessed but obviously got it confused with something else.

Maybe I was thinking that a cupola originated as a type of roof vent...

Oh, I missed that, sorry.

I do have me evil streak, eh?

OTOH, hmmm, maybe soemthing like that could be a money maker - have it somewhere warm, Tuscan decor, decent wine and food - no cheap stuff. Spa, massages, and so on - let someone else actually *run* it tho'

I do have a limit myself, plus I insist on the ones that are tuned like a musical instrument. (Bought a book on acoustics last week, and planning on buying one about designing and making musical instruments, because I'm wanting to make my own "wind instrument", also maybe figuring out how to make and tune a tongue drum tho' that's a totally differnt thing - well, unless it can be wind-driven in some way....hmmmm......)

Of course the advantage of having several acres (my fantasy) is that one is more insulated from the rest of the world and the intrusions of annoying busybodies ;)

[gruhn]

Since there are no hard rules in building, I'm sure some can.

Around here spa food is kiwi fruit on a hand laid whole wheat cracker. I like your spa better.

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news:QINoe.13506$ [e-mail]:

Except with concrete... :o

((What, for free you want *good* jokes?))