Re: The value of shopping local

[Warm Worm]

"...Many states have broad statutes requiring 'any person' to report.

• Extent of the knowledge triggering the duty to report varies. Some statutes call for reporting upon a mere 'reasonable cause to believe' or a 'reasonable suspicion.' Other statutes require the reporter to 'know or suspect,' which is a higher degree of knowledge.

• Failure to report suspected child abuse can result in criminal liability, although the liability is typically a misdemeanor punishable by a fine.

• Failure to report can result in civil liability..."

Rest of article:

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I think you're "projecting".

"According to a recent UNICEF report on child well-being[3] the United States... ranked lowest among rich nations with respect to the well being of their children."

-- Wikipedia.org

[Amy Blankenship]

Yes, lets. Most people didn't live far past 40. People were short due to poor nutrition. Children worked in coal mines. Utopia!

I haven't suggested more money. I HAVE suggested that if we had no public education, no matter how ineffectual, we'd be even more of a third world country than we are.

That's not all students, or even most. And at least they go to college and eventually succeed.

[George Conklin]

education.....

It was far better than 5 acre farms.

[Warm Worm]

_Inversity_, folks. "Get the kids out, bring the professionals in."

Don; how about conducting a drafting class at your place?

Some who teach are also doing other things, like research, and vice-versa.

Here's another expression: 'It takes a village to raise a child.'

Ya gotta luv statistix.

[Amy Blankenship]

And that is a good thing. I am reading a book called "The Medici Effect", which suggests that the best opportunities for creativity come from stepping outside your comfort zone.

[Amy Blankenship]

There you go, George, pining over the ideal of the past ;-).

[George Conklin]

Real humans left farming for the mills and mining as fast as they could. It was no ideal. It was just better than farming.

[George Conklin]

education.....

You obviously know nothing about demography and life expectancy. Shame on you.

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news: [e-mail]:

I think they used to be (one-room schoolhouse model, where teachers were actually expected to know something, and pass knowledge on to the children), and the bureaucracy took over education. Bureaucracy, in th eend, exists mainly to exist, and remain in existence - things like education or public policy, etc., are mere side effects (when they happen at all).

[Kris Krieger]

3D Peruna wrote in news:Hs3Zi.94$Z% [e-mail]:

Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to think and reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a necessary element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people understanding the decisions they need to make. Education is an investment. The ignorenti cannot make the sorts of decisions that maintain liberty - only people lifted out of ignorance can do so.

Public works tend to be a matter for the communities which they'd affect.

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Education is not the same thing as the current mess called "the public school system". The current ssytem is a bureaucracy first, and second, and third, and is more of a trianing camp, than an Educational Institution.

I've said time and time again that I am willing to pay for children to be

*educated* - I am *not* w8illing to pay for them to be merely warehoused for 8 hours and trained to follow orders.

Merely being a "good littel worker bee" is not condusive to liberty - but being a GLWB is precisely what the "educational" bureaucracy seeks to "teach".

A great many HS Graduates can barely read, can barely do basic arithmetic, and can barely think well enough to drive a car. That is not education. I agree with Pat that Education is a natural right, and that this rightr is being denied students.

I really wish people would stop confusing "education" with "warehousing".

[Kris Krieger]

"Amy Blankenship" wrote in news:f0QZi.2429$ [e-mail]:

(1) Such people should not be allowed to raise children - I say that because these people are *doing harm* to another human being, and worse, to one who does not have the power to help him/her self, change the situation. (2) When you see what some people do to their kids, well, letting them just have, and keep, *more* kids is just plain criminal - I mean literally, since it is supposedly illegal to harm others. If these slobs are going to keep having kids, they should never be allowed to keep them. And once the kids are adopted, they should *never* be given back to such people, as has happened far too often.

I would have been very grateful had another adult intervened and take me away. But it's not just about money. There are poor people who nevertheless do not neglect their kids. And there are plenty of people who are getting by, and even people who are well-off, who DO neglect their kids. If someone is into drugs, OK, yes, I think it's good to *try* to help them - but "three strikes and you're out" - AND kids should *never* be in the picture, because kids should never have to live with someone who cares more about getting drunk or high than they care about the kids. Griwong up with that sort of scumpig messes a kid up, and it can take decades to clean up the mess, and that's if the mess can be cleaned up at all.

[Warm Worm]

I hardly watch tv, and I speak and write English. How about you? (Not that it's any of my business, mind you.)

Why even bother being on here and chatting with 'people'-- a community so to speak-- and blasting the US government (notice I didn't write 'your' government) and practically "everything else under the sun" if you're into minding your own business? Wow. It seems kind of ironic and contradictory... and hardly lends itself well to my sense that you might somehow create a better world than what we now have.

[Warm Worm]

Therein lies the problem.

[Warm Worm]

Oh ok. Have fun, supe! :)

[George Conklin]

The original statment on life expectancy was correct. In fact even in 1900 the average marriage lasted only 22 years before one or the other would die of natural causes. The fact that a few people lived longer has nothing to do with the fact of limited life expectancy. But cheer up: it was even worse in Roman times.

I suggest you get ahold of a standard demography text and check out the demographic transition.

[Michael Bulatovich]

Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to personally bear thermonuclear weapons....

[3D Peruna]

I'm a bit offended I'm not allowed to...

Actually, the Constitution expressly permits me to bear arms--and it doesn't qualify what type. It is also clear (from those who wrote it) that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the people have the ability to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical. From this it would also follow that the people then have the right to bear whatever arms the government may also have so that an adequate defense may be made.

[3D Peruna]

Natural rights are those that exist outside of another individual. A "right" to be educated exists in the same way that the right to pursue happiness exists. However, there is no obligation to provide for that right.

For example, I have the right to bear arms. But I do not have the right to steal from you to buy my gun (or steal your gun). Education works the same way. As soon as you take from another, by force, the money required to educate another person, you've violated that first person's right to property. Rights also do not require the violation of other rights to exist.

Extending this to public education. If, we volunteer our money to a "public" school, then we have not violated anyones rights. As soon as they attach the rule of force to that (for example, property taxes), our right to property has been violated, no matter that the purpose may be noble, like enabling children to have the right to be educated.

The right to a good education is only being denied to the students in that their parents are not insistent that their children get a good education and do something about it. It is our right to property that is being violated and this is of greater concern than the poor education of students (I think they're related. Don't teach people properly and they won't understand the difference between right, privilege and tough luck. They'll start asserting rights where they don't exist and giving away the ones that do).

[George Conklin]

What about the Cruise Winnebago? That ought to make the Taliban nervous: a blue collar worker with a 6-pack out for the weekend with a nuclear missle on board?