Re: The value of shopping local

We pay doctors about three times what Europe does. We have similar costs built into the entire system.

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George Conklin
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"Edgar" wrote in news:474f4464$0$26012$ snipped-for-privacy@free.teranews.com:

I was speaking generally. The operative Old Saw is "if the shoe fits, wear it", but I have the same opinion of name-calling no matter when or where it happens and who does it .

I guess I just don't take Don's peroverbial "bark" to heart (referring to that old saing about "the barkis worse than the bite"). Maybe becasue I've know too many *real* psychos in my time...? Maybe because I expended so much energy in my 20's through early 40's getting all riled up about so many things, that I now do not have enough energy-reserves to waste on getting riled up...? I dunno, really, it's just how things currently are on Planet Kris ;)

Personally? I dunno, not really. I commented on a comment. I'd have made the same comment (and have, in the past) regardelss of who made it...

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Kris Krieger

"Michael Bulatovich" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news2.newsguy.com:

THat's wha I thought, but I have to check these things becasue I really do not have "social instincts". OTOH, you cvould be lying, and I'd never knwo it , so I choose to assume honesty ;)

Reply to
Kris Krieger

In some discussions with Don with some things, I simply feel like I'm debating Christianity with a Christian missionary, hence my previous new thread.

BTW, I think I came across another code-bubble, but I forget where. But maybe it was just from a dream... (Michael, were you online here when I posted that? It was an architectural element, of a hotel in Vancouver, gone funky.)

Ah yes, the contortions of face-saving... One would think that someone in his fifties would more or less be beyond that-- assuming you're insinuating Don. Maybe it's face-saving and maybe he really believes it. Either way...

Bully for you.

Points well taken, and of course then there're the bullying-environments those who bully often live in... Can a community bully?

I wonder how to deal with a bullying government.

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Warm Worm

Ok Freud.

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Warm Worm

It's a personal choice of course, but helping them or "minding your own business" is probably how they'd prefer you do it.

Reply to
Michael Bulatovich

The one about ridiculous things that buildings sometimes do? I remember

*that* one...

Many of the regulars are telling me, "you can't take him seriously", or "he doesn't mean what he says", "he get's frustrated sometimes and says extreme things", etc, but my reading of recent history tells me I have to take people at their words, unless they themselves recant, or could pass for 'not responsible' in a court of law.

If I'm *not* to take hime seriously then I'm to toy with him in some kind of code like Virginia Vagina, or whatever that guy's name was a while back. I'm not really interested in that type of thing at all.

Ockham's razor says to asume the simplest explanation. There are many people who do mean the types of things he says. They're fairly common from what I can tell from the media. Why do I assume that he's not one of them? If he looks like a duck, walks like a duck,....

Maybe name can equal destiny. I've wondered whether my bully-thing comes from having an icon of my namesake over my bed as a kid...

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Michael Bulatovich

Fair enough, although to be similarly fair, our whole culture, or at least many areas within our media channels-- the net, television, radio, film-- throw those kinds of thing around all the time. I've mentioned that phenomenon on here before years ago, if Don recalls, but he continued to exercise that freedom... although, freedom of course is a double-edged sword indeed... maybe even a lot more edges than just 2.

I was thinking that another potential problem with snarl-words, negative-labeling, "threats-as-metaphors" and so forth is that it might actually serve to progressively undermine the users' own rational thought processes-- shoot themselves in the foot-- by, in part, creating a kind of mental smokescreen around what exactly is going on and why and how, etc.. (At this moment, I recall the recent thread on the topic of 'evil' and 'evil-doer'.) IOW, on one hand, you have ad hominem attacking and the like, and on the other, by their constant usage, their subsequent effects upon the individuals' thinking and perceptions over time.

It may very well be that some have gotten so used to this kind of discourse, that it's corroded some of their thinking facilities... rather like a few drinks too many.

I'm chuckling right now, but see your point.

(Actually I'd read some of that thread in question and vaguely wished that more hetero women were more straightforward and humourous with that subject. Some women make me think they'd rather die than get laid or talk about sex. ;)

Sex? ;>

In fact, one can get into real legal trouble with uttering some kinds of things, at least in many contexts, and/but there are very fine lines to navigate very carefully in those regards. There's freedom-of-speech and then there's real intent-- and yet more reason, if you ask me, to consider very carefully the usage of negative labeling, threats as metaphors, and so forth.

An icon? In what sense? Anyway, I was referring to the "good for you" expression, rather than your name. :)

Reply to
Warm Worm

Tell me about it.

I know what you mean. Many have posed the same questions regarding the antisemitism of the nazis. Early on, one could easily reduce it to plain vanilla demagogery, in order to gain power by scapegoating a group of outsiders, but then eventually the 'race' obsessions began to jeopardize the very power gains made by their means. Was genocide the focal intent all along, or did the issue come to dominate their thinking the more they convinced themselves of its importance? They did go from "crazy like a fox" to "plain crazy" pretty quickly...

Talking in code.

Yeah, I know. Other kids might have had a Bobby Orr poster, but I had an orthodox icon (literally) hanging on the wall over my bed as a kid. It was of the Archangel (AKA Saint) Michael. He's often depicted with a sword (sometimes of flame), sometime also a balance beam(scales), with one of his feet on the neck or head of the devil, usually represented as a dragon or serpent, but sometimes in the more usual anthropomorphized form.

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What kind of role model is that for a kid? When I look back at my life so far, it would appear to have had an influence.....

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Michael Bulatovich

Maybe it's more like getting soft?

"The brain is much more like our muscles than we had thought, even in the sense that specialized exercise affects different parts of the brain. Autopsies show that the brains of London taxi-drivers are peculiar. They have an enlarged hippocampus, which is the brain area used for navigating three-dimensional space. Here we see spatial abilities being developed without comparable development of other cognitive skills. To develop a wide variety of cognitive skills you need a wide variety of cognitive exercises."

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Michael Bulatovich

No one has demanded you leave your community. However, since your community is located inside a democracy (technically, a republic) and you have stated that you refuse to participate in a democracy, the only way that you can

*actually* not participate in it is to remove yourself to a place that does not have a democratic form of government. So, you are either lying (you are quite willing to participate in a democracy) or you are leaving (removing yourself to a place where you will not have to participate in a democracy).

Hope this clarifies;

Amy

Reply to
Amy Blankenship

I don't know what more you need to substantiate the claim that you wonder something other than to make the claim. The only person who could possibly know what Warm Worm wonders is Warm Worm himself, and so he'd be the ultimate authority on his own wondering...

Reply to
Amy Blankenship

Apparently you're unable to grasp that when you say "I refuse to participate in X" and then you're very patently participating in it, then you have no credibility. That's not based on viewpoint, narrow or wide. That's simple logic. It does seem that when it comes to this discussion your capacity for logic has been exhausted.

Reply to
Amy Blankenship

This is an interesting development. The Don the Baptist is looking for cover, since he can't actually admit that some of the stuff he says is

*completely ridiculous*, and now might understand that they are widely perceived that way, even by people who don't give him a hard time about it. He has taken their silence as approval, which, as I've said, is historically the risk.

Now he's not so sure of where he stands in the flock, so now he trivializes calls to substantiate or retract *ridiculous* statements by transferring them to statements that would never draw that kind of fire, like Worm's open-ended question. He (clumsily) hopes to blur the obvious differences between these types of utterances, so that he can go one saying the stupid things he seems to need to say with impunity, since now every innocent statement is subject to these 'unfair' calls for rationality.

For me it points to the importance for him of an *quiescent audience* for such utterances, and his need for the sense of 'community' that the inferred approval of such statements offers him. The Randian veneer from the golden age of ideology seems to be coming slightly unglued. What does Howard Roark care what other people think of his heroic utterances? He is a rugged, towering individual. Does he in fact need the 'sheep' he curses to reflect his monumentality back to up to him? It might be a tad lonely up there on Olympus, but, groups are for sissies, and 'gurlz', right?

It's sooo Alpa Chimp.

Reply to
Michael Bulatovich

You're a patient woman. Have you got kids?

Reply to
Michael Bulatovich

I didn't say silence supported anything, but that it could be inferred that it did by the people making the offending statements, and that this can encourage them.

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Michael Bulatovich

Yeah, but roads close on Tuesday.

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Michael Bulatovich

LOL *She's* a puppet?

(The alt.architecture version of the old "A sphincter says 'What?'" joke.)

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Michael Bulatovich

We'd call out the army with that kind of dump.

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Michael Bulatovich

I try...

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Amy Blankenship

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