Which 12" Compoud Miter to buy....?

Hello everyone,
This is my first post to the group and I hope it will be a successful one. We've been in our new house for just over a year and it's finally time for me to set up my workshop in the garage. The first purchase, of course, will be a decent CMS.
I've to the local big box stores and one of the smaller local shops to look at what's available in the 12" saws. As nice as it is to be able to see and touch the items I still have no idea how they actually handle and such in use. I'm spoiled by my work in the university scene shop with the DeWalt 12" Slider, but there is no way I can swing the cash for a slider since I'll be needing to pick up a router and probably a new Circular saw as well.
But I'm getting off topic. What I really need is advice from users of the current 12" Compound Miter saws out there. I've been going back and forth between the Makita 1221 ($299 with a free Random orbit sander), the DeWalt 705S ($299ish), the Bosch 3912 ($250ish) and the Delta 36-312 ($199). Any major concerns with any of these? I know the Delta might not be the top of the line, but is it worth the extra $100 for the DeWalt or Makita? Any thoughts or tips would be much appreciated. I'll be hanging out here quite a bit as the setup continues and hope to gain quite a bit.
Thanks in advance,
David
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bought, a 12" DeWalt. I have been very happy with it from cutting larger boards to small stuff. Hope this helps.
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Never tried the other brand, but my DeWalt is proving to be a winner. Accurate, reliable, powerful. Does everything I ask it to do. Last year DeWalt was giving a ROS with the saw. Maybe you'll get lucky and find an old one in stock someplace. HD had the sander right in the box, others you had to send in a coupon. Ed snipped-for-privacy@snet.net http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
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I've had the same experience Ed reports. No problems with the 705 that weren't user error...
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Here's a detailed review of the Bosch 3912 that you might find helpful. http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/boschgcm12.htm
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The first (and only) Dewalt tool I own is the 12"CMS...a "rebuild". As I understand things, quite a few of the new machines go back for "rebuild", hence the wide availability on the reconditioned market. Good news is the rebuild outfit seems to do better than factory and I have no problems with the tool after 2 years of really hard use. Light weight, easy to keep adjusted on the 90' cuts and along the miter.

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I have the Porter Cable for $299. We used it to frame a lot of a Habitat for Humanity home. It also gets a lot of use in my shop. I love it to death. If you gave me $300 to buy a 12" CMS, the Porter Cable is what I'd come home with.
Now I just need to get a Chopmaster blade for it...
-Mike
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I love my DeWalt 705. Dead on accurate, easy to adjust, and solid as a rock. The tilt mechanism is not so easy, but thankfully I don't use compound angles frequently.
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Well, I am not that familiar with the 36-312, but I have owned the 36-235 12" saw for almost 5 years and have been satisfied (at the time of purchase it was about $289). It has been through a full basement finish including trim, and construction of a full, wet bar. It has also helped with construction of several other cabinets, tables and a garage and is doing just fine.
It does look a little different than the 36-312. The miter lock and compound adjustment are a little different. Motor case looks very similar. After five years I only have two concerns with the older Delta:\
1) The dust collection bag arrangement sucks. It might be better with an active collector.
2) After using it for awhile, it seemed like the miter lock might be the weak point and wear out. But, after 5 years it still works fine (probably ought to quit worrying - huh?)
Watch out though. Delta has been offering some VERY CHEAP 10' miter only saws through Sears. One caught my eye as a potential Christmas gift a few weeks ago. After looking at it (about $50) I decided I couldn't bring myself to even give it away. If Delta is doing this with lower level machines -- who knows?
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My local Lowe's has the Delta TwinLaser 12" compound saw that was originally $300 for $229. My personal preference would be for a double-bevel saw, though. Lowe's has the DeWalt 12" double-bevel for like $350. The new Delta with the vertical motor boasts some very impressive capacities for $400, also. Amazon.com had the Hitachi 10" slider (a double-bevel saw) for $399 a while ago. My latest flyer has it a little higher, I think.
If you're looking to keep the cost down, check your Lowe's for the clearance TwinLaser. It's a better saw than the $199, which is a ShopMaster?? The first time you have to flip a board around in some funky orientation, you'll want the double-bevel saw, though. I am actually in the market myself. I almost bought the $229 Delta, but I figured I'd regret it later, so I'm looking around for a deal, too.
Hope this helped,
Charlie
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