I've been waiting anxiously for Harbor Freight's sale (Today, Saturday, and
Sunday) to pick up their new "Double-Bevel," 12-inch sliding miter saw. This
weekend it's only $119.00. (save $510 over comparable Bosch 5312)
The double-bevel deal means that the table rotates 45d left/right AND the
saw itself tilts 45d left and right. Look down at the saw, the blade pivots
to the left/right; look straight at the saw and the blade rotates 45d
clockwise and counter-clockwise.
Oodles of other stuff is on sale: 7-function multimeter for $2.00 is an
example or a 1/4 and 3/8 socket set for $4.00. Things to stick in the
toolbox for those rare occasions when you run into an unexpected need.
I presume the saw will function as expected. When I get the sucker home, and
set up, I'll report back on any surprises (positive or negative).
If you don't hear from me, you may assume a) No surprises, or b) I'm laid up
in the hospital.
Didn't we just go through this? Do you really think that a $119 HF
saw is "comparable" to a Bosch 5312?
If we compare no other specs, let's just compare warranties: HF: 90
days, Bosch: 1 year. That has to tell you something about the quality
of the tool right there.
Beside, you can get the Bosch for $556.50 on Amazon, with free
shipping. That cuts your "savings" to $437, *if* they were comparable.
When you come back to tell us about your new saw, will it be after a
side-by-side, feature-by-feature comparison with the Bosch?
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:41:00 -0600, Gordon Shumway
You made an excellent point too...
I recall my mom saying my dad (in the business) bought a lot of tools
before or about the time I was born when they didn't really have the
money and bought the best or near the best tools at the time. Well,
as far as I know, he never had to replace them tho he did have to do
minor maintenance on them thru the years. Bottom line... buying
quality is worth your while. I have some of them now tho I don't use
them much and gave some away.
I have a biscuit joiner for sale. So far only nibbles, no takers.
As the Festoolers have said, you buy a Domino and that is automagically a
30-day trial (I forget the specifics). There must be a local hardware
store near you that sells it ... Then let us know what you do at the end
of the trial.
I used my biscuit jointer once, too sloppy. It's a PC, so it's one of
the better ones but I couldn't align the boards (edge gluing) worth
Sure, there are loads of places that sell them. There's a Woodcraft
and a Rocklers (was there today) just on the other side of town, but I
much prefer Highland Woodworking as a Festool disty (they have
everything in stock). Haven't wanted to pony up the $900, yet,
There are plus's and minus's to every strategy. Does a $200 saw
really cut 2x4's better then a $30 saw if you are just slapping up
framing? My dad worked construction all his life and went thru
several iterations of tools. He had to keep in mind the likelihood of
it getting stolen, how often it would need fixing, the cost, the
weight, etc. For some things, like a "skillsaw" he concluded it made
a lot more sense to just buy a cheap one and if it was shot at the end
of the project then just go buy a new one. Lots less hassle then
worrying about a helper breaking it, or someone stealing it, or the
time and trouble of taking it somewhere for repair plus the better
ones, at least at that time, weighed a lot more then the cheap ones
and were more tiring to use. I'd definitely get the HF double swivel
saw if it would serve the needs of my one or two times I might ever
need it. Surely you'd know within the 30 day window if it's a dud and
could take it back and buy a better one for 3 or 4 times the price.
Yep. AFAIK, Heybub won't be using the saw for production work.
I bought a Craftsman 10" SCMS for $119 - on sale. Reg price was about
$159.. Sears is always jacking around prices and "models."
Close to this one
Looks like the fence is different, and marked, and they added
extensions to the bed. All useless to me. Mine has the laser too.
I pooh-poohed that, but it's nice.
Happened to be on sale when my wife pushed me to put up crown molding
in 3 rooms. Worked fine. Accurate out of the box, no fine tuning
necessary. With crown - or base/shoe - if you have 90 degree corners
on the rooms, you don't need to bevel. It's all 45/90 miter
But I used bevel for new baseboard and it was accurate too. Only used
bevel because the 10" was too small for the width of the work pieces.
The motor would hit a standing work piece when sliding. Think the
pieces were 4 1/2" or 5" A 12" saw would have made it easier, but I
worked around it by reversing the saw adjustment and work pieces.
So bigger would have been better for that job. But it was the 10" on
sale and it worked. Since doing the house woodwork, I've only used
the saw for chopping 2x4's.
So should I have spent +5 bills for a saw? Don't think so.
I don't know about the durability of these cheap SCMS saws, and don't
care, since I don't make my living with them.
But cutting accuracy on these only relies on a good slide, tight motor
shaft bearings, stiff motor mount to the slides, good detents and
solid adjustment gripping hardware. If they get that right, you're
good to go. All that has lasted long enough for my purposes, so the
"durability" was there.
Beats the hell out of the "good" 12" Delta radial arm I had in terms
of accurate cuts.
If I ever use my cheap 10" SCMS for accurate work again, and find it's
gone rogue on me, I'll just buy another cheap one.
Did you miss, or just choose to ignore, the first part of that
"If we compare no other specs..."
No decision should be made based on that one parameter, but the
willingness of a company to provide a lengthy warranty should carry a
lot of weight in the decision process.
As I pointed out to HeyBub, the issue is not with homeowner use vs.
pro use, it's with the use of the word "comparable." See my response
where I show 2 different definitions of "comparable" and how one fits
and one doesn't. HeyBub expanded on his use of the word "comparable"
and we are now on the same page.
You raise a couple of good, though rebuttable, points.
* Warranty. One can purchase an extended warranty at HF and still be way
below the Bosch price.
* As for me, I'm an amateur and unwilling to pay professional prices for
If I go bowling once every six months, I'm happy to rent the shoes at the
bowling alley for $3.00 instead of laying out $60.00 for my own personal
I don't own a 22' truck so I'll be ready to move a bunch of stuff (if ever).
Instead, I'll simply rent one from U-Haul when the need arises. I'm quite
satisfied to own a $5.00 water shut-off key instead of a $200.00 motorized
Point is, a $100 tool allows me to do the same things, perhaps not as well,
as a $600 model. The difference is not between a $100 and a $600 tool; the
difference is between $100 tool and nothing.
I understand the motivations of those who want the best possible tool. But
I'm not in that group. I have different needs and derive my satisfaction in
a job differently. If any would rather do without a (sort-of) suitable tool,
more power to them.
In passing, I'll note that if using an "inferior" tool results is something
less than acceptable, I'll plant ivy.
My objection wasn't related to an amateur's use of the saw vs. a pro's use.
My objection was related to your use of the word "comparable".
If we go by definition #1 below, then your use of the word "comparable" is
fine. Both the HF and Bosch are "similar." They are both 12" sliding miter
However, if we go by definition #2, and bring "equivalent quality" into the
discussion, then the word "comparable" doesn't fit.
I can only speak for myself, but when I see a statement like "save $510
over comparable Bosch 5312" I lean towards thinking the speaker is using
definition number #2. Maybe that stems from my dislike of sleazy sales
From that perspective, I don't see the 2 saws as "comparable".
1. Able to be likened to another; similar.
2. Of equivalent quality; worthy of comparison.
OK, I see your point. My use of "comparable" was hyperbole - exaggeration
for the purpose of emphasis. On the other hand, my intended use DOES rank
the two saws as "comparable." They both chop 2x4s, they both (probably) make
90d cuts. They both look pretty.
Good enough for me. I should have made that point more clear.
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