Started out to be "Inexpensive jointer"

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On 4/1/2014 2:29 PM, Morgans wrote: ...

The gib pads eventually wear some if the infeed depth is changed frequently over a long-enough period of time.
But, they're adjustable to compensate for the droop that develops so is rarely anything more than some adjustment needed to be back in spec.
About the only other thing that can happen is warping a table by using it as a lever or handle to muscle the thing around...in that case, you've got "trouble right here in River City..."
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On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:

I used to own a 4" Craftsman Jointer, that was probably of similar vintage. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little machine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
You mentioned the 8" Grizzly. My son-in-law has a mid 2000's vintage 8" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Woodworking rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly products.
RonB
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for the review RonB. The main problem with ordering from Grizzly appears to be that they seem to be inconsistent. I had a 10%-off coupon and was ready to push the button until I saw some pictures of someone unpacking the same model. It had a lot of imperfections. I decided at that moment, that at the very least, I didn't want one from the same lot. I think the person who took the pictures returned his. SMC (sawmillcreek.com) took the thread down as a "complaint posted made before notifying the manufacturer"--which their policies don't allow. Grizzly seems to provide a lot of customer service though, but they seem to expect their customers to have a high tolerance for "issues" too. I guess that's "part of the deal". It's not like I have a tap and die set handy (maybe I should...).
Bill
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:48:31 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:

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age. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little m achine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.

" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Wood working rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly p roducts.



I have an advantage that a lot of folks don't have. The Springfield store is about two hours away. When I was looking for a cabinet saw about 13 yea rs ago the 1023 series was on my list. We were in the Branson/Springfield area and dropped by and got a good demo in the store's wood shop. When I p ulled the plug and ordered a few weeks later I was pretty sure of what was coming and wasn't disappointed. A couple of years ago I bought a 15" surfa ce planer and dust collector at the Grizzly Store. I was able to lift the box on the planer and inspect it in the store before they loaded it.
BTW - Don't ever go to a Grizzly Store! It is like a big kid's candy store .
RonB
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RonB wrote:

Ha! I made the Grizzly Springfield store a vacation stop 2 years ago! I enjoyed my visit--even got the T-shirt! If the store was nearby, allowing for a more convenient return, if necessary, I would look at things differently.
Cheers, Bill

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Fortunately, about the time the local Woodworkers Warehouse closed it's doors my shop was well equipped. Since that time I acquired a second, much larger 36" bandsaw, and traded up from a 1 1/2 HP to a 3 HP shaper. Both those were found on Craigs List, but otherwise all the corded tools were acquired while WW was in business... It is probably good that they are gone, and that Numrich Arms closed their retail store... The staff knew my name and me theirs... I was treated more like a friend than a customer and both places sucked money out of my pocket while they existed. ;~) If I lived near a small town in Maine I'd be in real trouble... ;~)
John
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You were a shop teacher? I still remember my shop teacher from 8th grade, circa 1946.
At that time, students were divided into "sections", 1-7 depending upon learning/intellectual ability, one being the highest. I was in section one but somehow wound up in a section 7 shop class.
The shop teacher caught a kid trying to chop through a piece of wood on the joiner; the teacher finished the job for him by bending the kid over a bench and breaking ther board on his butt. I thought that was excessive then and still do. I hope you were more tolerant of your students errors.
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On 4/2/2014 12:39 PM, dadiOH wrote:

In 1946, I don't think that was excessive, it made an impression. Today it would require he be fired, and put in jail.
I remember my wood shop teacher, he was kind of cool and knowledgeable until one day he was working on his own project on the lathe, and outboard project that was large, the largest turning I had ever seen..
We were left outside the class for what was probably 30 minutes after class started. Kids were banging on the door.. He went into a melt down and started throwing things all over the place, destroyed some of the kids projects.. From that point on, I thought he was an jerk. He went way overboard, so he could work on his own project. He could have done the work after school...
He could have been cool and remembered fondly, but the biggest thing I remember was this one temper tantrum. It's a shame, until then I really liked the guy. You had to be there to understand how over the top this was.. Maybe like your classmate who got paddled, where I can't understand how over the top he was.
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"woodchucker" wrote in message

That is for what I remember my Jr. High woodshop/ceramics teacher... During ceramics class he made laminate kitchen counter tops for somebody and during woodshop class the next year he made a fiberglass covered wooden cap for his pickup. He kind of left the class to their own devices much of the time...
I recall him making a complete mess while spreading the contact cement for the counter tops. Me, a kid of 12 years of age, explained to him a better way of doing it (my next door neighbor was a professional cabinet maker) and he tried it... for a few minutes he enjoyed success but then went right back to what he'd been doing. Needless to say, after those combined experiences, this guy did not leave a favorable impression on me... to the point that I long ago forgot his name. Another way to put it is that I have enjoyed success as a woodworker in spite of him. ;~)
John
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On 4/2/2014 2:32 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never quite touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the same problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide the strength.. I would explain that if it was a wood to wood bond it would be stronger, he always dismissed me.. So everytime he launched a new airplane it was fun to watch... about half of them we would hear OH SHIT while he was going up on the winch or high start (these were gliders which need wing strength). What followed was the wing folding completely. Always worth a laugh that he never got the idea that building a nice clean air frame was important for strength and light weight. I can't imagine what his woodworking was like. His station wagon looked like a homeless guy living in it.
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I've very seldom had any problem with anything I have gotten from Grizzly but on the rare occasion I did they were exemplary in fixing the problem.
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Yep. 21 years. I had a construction curriculum, where we built a turn-key house on site, ever two years for sale to the public, along with other projects for the school like bus garage additions and a softball concession stand and locker rooms and community park picnic shelters and such. I ended up doing much more than the houses, including building full sets of solid oak raised panel cabinets for some of the houses and benches and other furniture for the school. Pretty nice shop, although not big enough for the amount of students I had.

Funny, but I only had one semester of shop in 8th grade. I was college prep. I was a band director before I became a contractor, before I became a teacher. Go figure!

I could tell you stories, for hours, I suppose. I learned to listen constantly, as I interacted with other students, for signs that all was not going as it should in the shop. It is amazing how the sound of a machine will give away its' incorrect use, if you only listen for it.
One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break, just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect, responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with ease if they have those skills.
But yes. I was tolerant of errors. That is a teaching opportunity. Not as tolerant of purposeful misbehavior. Still, I never busted a board on anyone's butt. Not to say that I didn't want to, a few times!
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On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:

Well put.
My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said the above, almost word for word.
We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and I asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was wrong with our public education system. Her one word reply:
Parents.
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Swingman wrote:

But some kids barely have one...
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On 4/3/2014 4:01 PM, Bill wrote:

What do you mean "BUT"?? That is the problem, the parents. Every child has parents, that is how they were created, absentee or not. It is not the responsibility of the teachers to do what the parents, absentee or not are, are suppose to do. Throw the absentee parents in jail.
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Leon wrote:

What if they are not around??? ; )
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On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote: ...

The lack of which, while not tolerating abuse, is a key element that seems lacking any more...a firm swat can also be a learning experience...from one exercise of same on the unwanted end also in 8th-G shop :)
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Chuckle!
There are a few jackleg carpenters and carpenter teachers out there, unfortunately. I heard it said that anyone who has ever picked up a hammer and driven a nail considers themselves to be a carpenter. Not far from the truth, me thinks.
The guy I replaced had forged his recommendation on letterhead that his mother had stolen from the contractor she kept books for. OMG! The stories I heard. He cut his fingertips on the jointer twice in three years! He cut square holes in the sheetrock for round ceiling boxes. I could go on and on. One thing scared the poop out of me happened in the shop, though.
I had found that nearly every machine in the shop was so far out of adjustment to be unusable, and there were some pretty major safety problems. I went thought and fixed what I found, and proceeded. One day, I heard the jointer chatter uncharacteristically, from across the room. I flew over and got it shut down. I then proceeded to investigate, and found that one chip breaker was being held in by two of the 5 screws, and by the sawdust packed between the blade and the bar. I could not even get it out without destroying the bar, it was wedged in so tight. that isn't the worst of it, believe it or not. Underneath the end of each blade were three 6d nails with the heads cut off. From what I can figure, he used them as shims to adjust the height of the blades.
I immediately shut the shop down, and stayed after late every day, until each machine had been completely torn down, inspected and re-adjusted. Oh, and first I went to get a change of shorts!
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On 4/2/2014 4:24 PM, Morgans wrote:

Thank god we never read about the possible results of a flying blade in the news... That would have had many ww programs shut down long ago... But these days, most programs are shut down anyway.

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"woodchucker" wrote:

-------------------------------------------------- Haven't even thought about Ambroid since I stopped building models in the mid '50's.
Still remember it was $0.50/tube which was a lot of money to a kid who earned $0.50/hr back then.
Is it still available?
Lew
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